HKS EVC-S Install (Pictures and Basic Walk Through)
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Hi Guys,
I bought a HKS EVC-S for the FC today and went about installing it. The install is fairly straight forward and requires about 2 to 3 hours to complete without rushing. Here is a basic overview of what I did... THE NEW KIT Attachment 711906 WHAT COMES IN THE BOX Attachment 711907 I firstly had to decide where I was going to mount the Boost Sensor. Now, as my car has a Microtech LT-10 it no longer uses thew factory Boost Sensor. So what I did was removed the facotry boost sensor and mounted the HKS Boost Sensor in this location using trhe factory mount and nut. BOOST SENSOR MOUNTED Attachment 711908 The next task was to mount the Boost Control Solenoid. I decided that BEFORE I mount this I should run the lines from the turbo and wastegate and that way I can see where the lines will end up and mount the Solenoid in a convenient place for connection to the lines. In order to get to the Wastegate and Turbine you really need to remove the airbox and intake pipe. This frees access right up to get to the turbo. ACCESS TO THE TURBO FOR BOOST LINE FITMENT Attachment 711909 After fitting the lines on to the Wastegate and Turbine I then re-installed the Intake Pipe and Airbox and looked for a suitable place to mount the Solenoid. I found the best place was on the corner of the Airbox using on of the factory Airbox nuts. This allowed space around the Solenoid and access to get the lines from the Turbine and Wastegate connected. BOOST SOLENOID MOUNTED AND LINES CONNECTED Attachment 711910 I then had to find somewhere to run the cables from both the Boost Solenoid and Boost Sensor into the cabin. I removed the Cruise Control Unit and found a spot to slip them through the firewall where the factory loom went through. CABLES THROUGH FIREWALL UNDER CRUISE CONTROL UNIT Attachment 711911 Now I can move into the Cabin and start to get things sorted out inside the car. As I wanted to mount the Display Unit on my Centre Carbon Panel I had to remove the centre Dash Surround Trim and also my Carbon Fiber Panel. REMOVING DASH TRIM AND CARBON PANEL Attachment 711912 I then fed the two cables from under the dash all the way over the pedals and behind the Centre Console. This allowed me to then mount the Control Unit in the space that my stereo used to be and connect the cables to the Control Unit here. I, at this point, also wired in the power and earth. I just spliced these into the cigarette lighter as this us triggered by ignition. WIRING AND CONTROL UNIT STARTING TO COME TOGETHER Attachment 711913 I then prepped the Carbon by drilling a hole large enough to fit the Display Unit cable through and started to fit this all in place. CARBON PANEL AND DISPLAY UNIT COMING TOGETHER Attachment 711914 I decided to power it up and just make sure it worked so I did not end up re-assembling everything and find out the hard way. POWERED UP FOR TEST Attachment 711915 I then proceeded to re-fit everything and mounted the Display Unit in a position that will still allow me to fit two 60mm gauges above it. ALL DONE Attachment 711916 Attachment 711917 |
nice, i have been looking at this controller.
looks really easy to install. |
HKS seems to have changed their design. A lot of the other EVC's used a stepper motor instead of a 3 port solenoid.
Good job. This installation writeup could be used for an Apex'i AVCR. The AVCR also has an external pressure sensor and solenoid. In fact, that HKS solenoid looks to be very similar to the Apex'i/Greddy solenoid made by Denso. And the connector for the solenoid is the same. It's a 2 pin Amp/Tyco Econoseal plug, same as FD boost control solenoid and similar to FC turn signal connector. |
Unrelated...
I envy your car, with the exception of RHD. I couldn't even fathom shifting with my left hand. But I love the nice stock steering wheel in good condition, looks like the leather isn't flaking. Also, that INTACT shifter boot. I wish I had one of those. The controller looks nice and the mounting looks good as well. Thumbs up! |
I LOVE the digital climate control!
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OMFG dude make another write up regarding the digital climate control install :O
I've been eyeing that longer then a boost controller, was it hard to hook up? or does it even work correctly for that matter? I thought those digital climate control only came on the auto FC's? |
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Thanks for the comments guys.
The digital climate control is a nice touch, thats for sure. However, I did not custom fit it in to a manual FC....I custom fit a 5 speed transmission into an Auto FC :) So the Logicon was already there as a factory fit. Here are some clearer photos of the Display Unit mounted, the T-Piece into the pressure line running to the Fuel Reg and the Boost Solenoid with lines running to the wastegate and turbine. DISPLAY UNIT MOUNTED ON CARBON CENTRE DASH PANEL Attachment 711918 Attachment 711919 Attachment 711920 T-PIECE FOR PRESSURE LINE TAPPED INTO LINE RUNNING TO FUEL REG Attachment 711921 PRESSURE SENSOR WITH LINE TO FUEL REG T-PIECE Attachment 711922 BOOST SOLENOID WITH LINES TO WASTEGATE AND TURBINE Attachment 711923 ENGINE BAY STILL LOOKS NICE AND STOCK Attachment 711924 |
that climate control panel reminds me of the one in my JZA70 Supra
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HOLY THREAD REVIVAL!!! :)
Sorry about that! I will soon be in the process of installing this EBC too... Should I need to cap the original solenoid pipes that the S5s have or should I remove it? Will there be ny issues with the ECU if either of these happens? And last, is the EVC-S target pressure set by the overboost or by the offset value? Opinions on the net are quite controversial. Thanks a lot in advance!! Marios |
Originally Posted by infernal
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And last, is the EVC-S target pressure set by the overboost or by the offset value?
There is no explicit target pressure setting. "Offset" is the same as SET on a Spec II. It is a baseline duty cycle for the solenoid. "Response" is the same as GAIN on a Spec II. It is the feedback/self correcting capability of the EBC. "Overboost" is the same as "START BOOST" aka "SET GAIN" on a Spec II. It is the pressure at which the wastegate is allowed to open. Generally speaking what you want to do is get every setting near 0 and then incrementally increase the settings. First go back and forth increasing the "Offset" and "Overboost" . Try 20% increments for "Offset" at first, and try 2-3psi increments for "oversboost." Get it set up so that you are seeing about 1 or 2 psi less than what you intend to run. Then start increasing your "response" setting. This will increase the peak boost as you spool up and reduce the amount the boost falls off. There are other methods of setting up the controller that can be made to work. If "Response" or "Overboost" are set too high, you will have dangerous spiking or crazy boost oscillations. Use the boost warning setting as a way to cut off the solenoid in the event of overboost. Opinions on the net are quite controversial. |
Thanks a lot arghx for the rapid reply and for all the valuable information!
Hehe I'm also an electronic boost controller n00b... What's the practical use of the overboost/Start boost in the first place? Is it intended for drag use? Oh so setting your target pressure with a percentage (offset) sounds like it will be prone to changing according to ambient temperature and altitude conditions, just like it is now. I thought that you just dial a number in and the boost controller achieves that anytime by closed feedback. :( |
Originally Posted by infernal
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Hehe I'm also an electronic boost controller n00b...
What's the practical use of the overboost/Start boost in the first place? Is it intended for drag use? Oh so setting your target pressure with a percentage (offset) sounds like it will be prone to changing according to ambient temperature and altitude conditions, just like it is now. I thought that you just dial a number in and the boost controller achieves that anytime by closed feedback. :( |
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Since you were asking about closed loop feedback that gets very close to boost targets under all conditions... here is how a real system is set up. This is from the completely stock calibration of a brand new 2011 Subaru STi.
https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1304274089 From left to right: 1) Primary target boost table. This is based on the rpm and the amount of torque requested by the driver. A higher requested torque means the gas pedal is down more. New cars have electronic throttles so there is a bunch of other stuff involved with that that I don't have here. 2) Altitude compensation table -- basically as ambient pressure decreases (higher altitude), at some rpms the boost target will decrease from its sea level values to keep from overspinning the turbo. 3) Intake temp compensation table -- reduces boost targets when intake temps (measured at the MAF sensor) are too high or too low, to prevent spiking or reduce detonation. 4) 1st gear boost compensation -- % the target boost will be reduced in at lower speeds. This is basically vehicle speed based boost control. 5) mph value above which the low speed boost target compensation will turn off. |
Hahaha you rule arghx! :nod: Happy 1st May too! :)
Thanks a lot for everything! Oh what should I do with the OEM solenoid? Block the lines? Is it reachable to remove the lines right from it and block it's nipples? I guess if I unplug and remove it I will have problems with the ECU... My engine bay is stock, only the airbox is gone... |
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1) Main duty cycle table-- this is the solenoid duty cycle lookup table before closed loop correction is applied. it is based on rpm and requested torque (which is related to accelerator pedal position) 2) Max duty cycle table-- this sets duty cycle limits for the closed loop feedback in order to prevent overboosting. Here are the main gain tables in the 2011 STi: https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1304274089 1) proportional gain table -- this type of gain is similar to what you find on an HKS EVC etc. the gain can be adjusted based on how much the boost differs from the target value 2) integral gain positive table -- this is another type of gain that you don't find in aftermarket controllers. Without getting too technical, it is more of a short term "learning" feedback that tries to smooth out oscillations. 3) integral gain positive table -- same as above but is used when boost is exceeding the target 4, 5, and 6 are intake temp compensation tables for the gain. So you can use these tables to reduce spiking in cold weather or to keep the boost from falling when it's really hot out if that's what you want to do. So as you can see... these aftermarket controllers are very simple in comparison to what OEM engineers design on newer cars. |
Originally Posted by infernal
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Oh what should I do with the OEM solenoid? Block the lines? Is it reachable to remove the lines right from it and block it's nipples? I guess if I unplug and remove it I will have problems with the ECU... My engine bay is stock, only the airbox is gone...
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Thanks once again for all the invaluable information! :)
I'll get down and study to know what I'm doing rather than messing at random with the parameters! Thank you!! Marios |
Wow that Perrin Performance link was GREAT! :nod:
Interesting also the way ECUs are programmed. Seems I had an over-simplified aspect of closed and open loop feedback control, until now... THANKS!!!! :worship::worship::worship: |
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