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soldave 03-16-10 06:37 AM

Fuel pump rewire: this look good?
 
Just wanted to run something by you. I found this on my hard drive downloaded from here but I can't remember what post it comes from. Does it look about right for rewiring the fuel pump?
https://i673.photobucket.com/albums/...pumprewire.jpg

arghx 03-16-10 10:11 AM

Many prefer the simplicity of eliminating the fuel pump resistor. This may result in a richer idle, but if you have an adjustable fuel pressure regulator or a means to tune the computer you can mitigate that.

cone_crushr 03-16-10 02:25 PM

Yeah it has the benefit of simplicity, however, you're recirculating gobs of fuel at ~43psi sitting at that traffic light and puttering around the neighborhood.

Nick_d_TII 03-16-10 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by cone_crushr (Post 9871543)
Yeah it has the benefit of simplicity, however, you're recirculating gobs of fuel at ~43psi sitting at that traffic light and puttering around the neighborhood.

Because fuel normally doesn't recirculate in the system? Is recirculating fuel bad or something? ~43 psi is about 10psi greater than what your pressure should be at idle...(28.4psi according to FSM)

Have you verified that your pump voltage is low or something? Are you Turbo'd? Why are you rewiring it?

The diagram also adds an additional relay and wiring to the system. IMO, most of this unnecessary, unless your running good amount of boost and aftermarket pump(s). Personally, I didn't/wouldn't rewire my car that way. It will probably work, but the voltage to the coil in the relay is going to be getting WAY more voltage/amperage than it needs and could possibly fail.

Good luck though.

soldave 03-16-10 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by arghx (Post 9870942)
Many prefer the simplicity of eliminating the fuel pump resistor. This may result in a richer idle, but if you have an adjustable fuel pressure regulator or a means to tune the computer you can mitigate that.

How would I go about doing it that way?

Rewiring because everything else checks out ok and I'm only getting just over 5V to the fuel pump.

arghx 03-16-10 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick_d_TII (Post 9871625)
Because fuel normally doesn't recirculate in the system? Is recirculating fuel bad or something?

More recirculation increases HC vapor emissions as hot fuel returns to the tank. Removing the resistor also increases fuel pump noise. While those are lesser concerns for many of us, there is a chance that idle AFR will become richer without some other measure being taken.


Originally Posted by soldave (Post 9871903)
How would I go about doing it that way?.

https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1268778622

soldave 03-24-10 08:21 AM

Got it hooked up this way and the voltage to the pump is a lot better. Is an adjustable FPR an easy thing for these cars? May seem a silly question, but the stock one seems pressed into the fuel rail so wouldn't be easy to remove from the system. Or am I thinking about it the wrong way?

Furb 03-24-10 04:34 PM

for a FPR, you can either use a S4 fuelrail, modify the rail or go aftermarket...

soldave 03-24-10 06:00 PM

Or I could use something like an SAFC and just get the ECU to compensate for the increased fuel pressure that way, right?

arghx 03-25-10 12:58 AM

Is this an s4 or s5?

Furb 03-25-10 01:54 AM


Originally Posted by soldave (Post 9890480)
Or I could use something like an SAFC and just get the ECU to compensate for the increased fuel pressure that way, right?

With that you can add more fuel.
But higher fuel pressure does not only provide more fuel, also the spray is better which also helps in better combustion...

But i would recommend a fpr anyways, i had detonating issues with stock fuel pressure when i started to upgrade.

soldave 03-25-10 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by arghx (Post 9891399)
Is this an s4 or s5?

S5


Originally Posted by Furb (Post 9891460)
With that you can add more fuel.
But higher fuel pressure does not only provide more fuel, also the spray is better which also helps in better combustion...

But i would recommend a fpr anyways, i had detonating issues with stock fuel pressure when i started to upgrade.

Sorry for being dumb but are you saying the higher fuel pressure will cause better spray and combustion? If so I'd have thought that would decrease detonation issues.

Furb 03-25-10 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by soldave (Post 9891764)
S5
Sorry for being dumb but are you saying the higher fuel pressure will cause better spray and combustion? If so I'd have thought that would decrease detonation issues.

thats exactly what i said...

i raised fuel pressure and had no more detonation

savanna.seven 11-12-13 11:52 AM

Sorry to bump this thread from the dead, but does anyone know if the modified diagram arghx posted still retains the safety feature where the pump will shut off in a crash/rollover?

Im running a large streetport and an FD pump and have noticed AFR's have been eerily lean. (14-15) under load.

Measure my voltage between the blue and black at the fuel pump connector and im seeing 7~8.2v at idle and 8.7 under load smh....

satch 11-12-13 12:17 PM

Yes it does still include that particular safety feature.

savanna.seven 11-12-13 12:41 PM

Thanks for the fast reply

RotaryEvolution 11-12-13 01:01 PM

a) you don't necessarily need to bypass the resistor relay by the RF headlight, just use the original power wire to the pump to turn on the relay.

and

b) if you have an S5 and are using an upgraded pump you should bypass the OEM bulkhead connector.

savanna.seven 11-12-13 01:16 PM

ok understood. makes sense. im running an S4 fwiw.

so just for clarification, either methods work just fine, just one retains the resistor to lower voltage to 9v and the other is if you want to do without.

now maybe im being ocd but is that a 5 pin relay in the diagram or a 4 pin with just a random line unused line in the center?

elwood 11-30-13 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by arghx (Post 9871947)
More recirculation increases HC vapor emissions as hot fuel returns to the tank. Removing the resistor also increases fuel pump noise. While those are lesser concerns for many of us, there is a chance that idle AFR will become richer without some other measure being taken.



https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1268778622

One small suggestion: The wires to Pin 86 and 85 should be switched. Pin 86 should see the switched voltage, and Pin 85 should see ground. If your relay has resistive suppression across the coil (like most of them), it probably doesn't matter. But if you use a relay with diode suppression, it'll short the leads and something upstream won't be happy.

redheddude222 06-18-14 08:07 AM

Bringing back an old thread so I don't have to make a new one.

Can anyone tell me the location of the harness in the engine bay that needs to be cut to bypass the resistor? I am about to rewire my fuel pump according to the diagram (taking Elwood's advice into consideration).

And just to be clear, I will be adding the relay, not using the factory relay. Is this correct?

jjwalker 06-18-14 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by redheddude222 (Post 11754646)
Bringing back an old thread so I don't have to make a new one.

Can anyone tell me the location of the harness in the engine bay that needs to be cut to bypass the resistor? I am about to rewire my fuel pump according to the diagram (taking Elwood's advice into consideration).

And just to be clear, I will be adding the relay, not using the factory relay. Is this correct?

That plug is at the resistor box. The resistor box is a grey aluminum box underneath and in front of the factory airbox, bolted just behind the passenger side headlight.

And yes, elwood is correct. Pin 86 should receive 12v and 85 ground, not the other way around.

redheddude222 06-18-14 08:44 AM

Thank you!

jjwalker 06-18-14 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by redheddude222 (Post 11754660)
Thank you!

You are welcome and by the way...

I personally have no issues with the factory relay, and find that adding another one is simply redundant.

EDIT: also I want to mention, instead of running shit to the battery, there are very large 12v fused wires at the ignition switch. I will never understand why people run wire to the positive battery post (audio amplifiers excluded). You have huge 12v positive wires at the ignition switch that are already fused and are located in an inconspicuous location!

redheddude222 06-18-14 09:05 AM

I'll keep that in mind. What does it take to get to the ignition switch? My S4 has a mostly mint condition dash, and I'm afraid of things disintegrating if I try to remove anything.

jjwalker 06-18-14 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by redheddude222 (Post 11754670)
I'll keep that in mind. What does it take to get to the ignition switch? My S4 has a mostly mint condition dash, and I'm afraid of things disintegrating if I try to remove anything.

Remove the knee bolster. It's the large panel under the steering column, that your knees would smash into if you got into an accident without a seat belt. To make things easier, also remove the steering column cover (careful! this one is brittle).

The ignition switch has a long harness coming from it, which then connects to the car via a molex connector. You DO want to connect wires on the car side of that molex connector, or you will hate yourself if you ever need to replace the ignition switch.

If I remember correctly, there is a big Black/Green wire that is 12v constant.


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