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PISTON KILLA! 06-09-08 12:54 PM

do 3rd gen breaks and callipers fit a second gen
 
i just came up on some third gen breaks and went canyon carving over the weekend and my stock second gen breaks suck so i was wondering if i can put on my 3rd gen breaks in the front

fast87t2 06-09-08 01:07 PM

yeah they bolt right on, but the third gen brakes do not have the cooling fins like the 4-pot second gen ones

PISTON KILLA! 06-09-08 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by fast87t2 (Post 8269818)
yeah they bolt right on, but the third gen brakes do not have the cooling fins like the 4-pot second gen ones

ok cool thanks man

TehMonkay 06-09-08 03:20 PM

calipers are the same, rotors are larger, if you want to use the rotors (only advantage) youll have to modify the heat shielding and get a custom bracket for the calipers to fit the rotors.

Also, this is only for those who already have turbo front brakes.

Archie 06-09-08 03:23 PM

^Definitely what I told Chris. Somebody makes them around this forum IIRC.

Hypertek 06-09-08 03:44 PM

if stock brakes suck.. you gotta change your driving style.. dont be heavy on the brakes and consider staying off em longer in a run so they can cool off.. Brake fade is scary shit when your canyon carving :icon_tup:

Do some stuff like brake ducting, resurface rotors/change pads yadda yadda.

But Fd calipers on FD has been done more in Japan... esp the rears.. Ive seen a local imported FC at a shop out here and he had some huge rear brake rotors, more then likely they where FD.

Theres a shop out here who sells imported FD rear assembles w/the lsd and whole front assemblies fairly cheap

Archie 06-09-08 03:49 PM

It was up at Palomar. His brakes were smoking so he had to pull off for a bit coming down South Grade. He probably could alter his driving a little bit though :lol:

PISTON KILLA! 06-09-08 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by Hypertek (Post 8270432)
if stock brakes suck.. you gotta change your driving style.. dont be heavy on the brakes and consider staying off em longer in a run so they can cool off.. Brake fade is scary shit when your canyon carving :icon_tup:

Do some stuff like brake ducting, resurface rotors/change pads yadda yadda.

But Fd calipers on FD has been done more in Japan... esp the rears.. Ive seen a local imported FC at a shop out here and he had some huge rear brake rotors, more then likely they where FD.

Theres a shop out here who sells imported FD rear assembles w/the lsd and whole front assemblies fairly cheap

the car has a hundred and eighty one thousand miles on it and i just bought it but those breaks look like there about do the pads are a lil more then half way worn

staticguitar313 06-09-08 03:55 PM

If you don't already have them switch to 4 piston front calipers and vented rear disc and set yourself up with some Hawk brake pads (HPS if daily driven) and braided stainless brake lines, completely flush your brake fluid. If you have stopping issues after this, YOU are the problem. FD brakes take FABRICATION to fit, are you capable of this? are you aware that FD calipers aren't much different than 4 piston FC calipers save the looks? Congrats on winning that darwin award

PISTON KILLA! 06-09-08 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by staticguitar313 (Post 8270486)
If you don't already have them switch to 4 piston front calipers and vented rear disc and set yourself up with some Hawk brake pads (HPS if daily driven) and braided stainless brake lines, completely flush your brake fluid. If you have stopping issues after this, YOU are the problem. FD brakes take FABRICATION to fit, are you capable of this? are you aware that FD calipers aren't much different than 4 piston FC calipers save the looks? Congrats on winning that darwin award

i am pretty sure i am capable!!!!!!!
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Archie 06-09-08 07:47 PM

:owned:

I think you do have the shitty single-piston calipers Chris. Do like I said and rig up a simple bracket.

JerryLH3 06-09-08 08:04 PM

Four piston brakes have cooling fins and an embossed MAZDA logo on them. Single piston brakes do not. It should be pretty easy to tell which you have with that information.

PISTON KILLA! 06-09-08 10:53 PM


Originally Posted by JerryLH3 (Post 8271391)
Four piston brakes have cooling fins and an embossed MAZDA logo on them. Single piston brakes do not. It should be pretty easy to tell which you have with that information.

and with that info you just told me yup there single. thanks bro you just saved me some time cuz they dont have any of that.

JerryLH3 06-10-08 08:51 AM

Then an upgrade to four piston fronts would be a nice addition. You could go through the trouble of adding FD fronts with fabrication involved, or you could get all the parts for FC fronts and have a simpler swap.

In my opinion, I don't believe stopping distances would be dramatically improved by using FD fronts, so I would opt for the simpler swap.

Roen 06-10-08 09:56 AM

save yourself the headache, the swap to the 4-pots are bolt-ons.

Have you thought about just changing pads and fluid first? What are you using now?

PISTON KILLA! 06-10-08 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by Roen (Post 8272934)
save yourself the headache, the swap to the 4-pots are bolt-ons.

Have you thought about just changing pads and fluid first? What are you using now?

i dont even know i just bought the car about 2 months ago and only changed my suspension to the jics havent gone through the brakes yet until after that drive and thought to myself these brakes are really dragging

pfsantos 06-10-08 12:25 PM

As soon as you can, change/flush the brake fluid, and go over each caliper and sliders to make sure the pistons and slider's aren't seized. You can switch to the 4-piston calipers if you still want better braking.

Another way to tell the 4-piston calipers is they are mounted to the spindle and have no sliders. Also, the rear calipers that came with the 4-piston front calipers are slightly different and go with vented rear rotors.

rxdrift7 06-10-08 01:52 PM

FD calipers are a direct bolt on. I haven't noticed much difference at all in braking power between the fd and fc four piston calipers. The only reason I have fd calipers is because I already had them and IMO they look better.

Here they are on my fc:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...0421080754.jpg

PISTON KILLA! 06-10-08 03:59 PM

cool i just looked at my car in the front on my lunch break and made a small boo boo they are four piston in the front but not the back so i am going to order brembo slotted rotors and the ebc green stuff pads

teddyrx2 06-10-08 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by PISTON KILLA! (Post 8273238)
i dont even know i just bought the car about 2 months ago and only changed my suspension to the jics havent gone through the brakes yet until after that drive and thought to myself these brakes are really dragging

So chris this weekend me and you will do the conversion on friday night and make this shit happen on saturday up in the mountain again...We already crashed once, had break fade on the run, whats next...anyways good info from the catz on here thanks guys...


Originally Posted by rxdrift7 (Post 8273678)
FD calipers are a direct bolt on. I haven't noticed much difference at all in braking power between the fd and fc four piston calipers. The only reason I have fd calipers is because I already had them and IMO they look better.

Here they are on my fc:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...0421080754.jpg

now you said just bolt it on and go...others are saying you have to make a bracket...Is the bracket made only when the fd rotors are used as well? In any case they look good...And even though there might not be a big difference in stopping power between the fc and the fd, it's just that we have them laying around the garage collecting dust...so this saves us time from going to the junk yard...thanks for the info...

JerryLH3 06-10-08 06:40 PM

Well, if it is a direct bolt on (I honestly don't know, I was relying on what others had said in this thread), then it's definitely easier to use them. However, he said he does have the four piston brakes in the front, which negates any major need to change calipers. The rears will always be single piston, whether the fronts are four piston or not.

As others have said, definitely give it a once over and bleed the system.

Roen 06-10-08 09:37 PM

there's no reason to use the FD calipers if you're not going to use the FD rotors.

4-pots are only found in the front, all cars came with rear singles. However, if you have 4-pots in the front, then the rear rotors are vented. That's the best setup for the buck imo.

If your car is a street car and don't care about noise and want better performance and save money, go with normal non-slotted rotors and hawk hp+ brake pads. They will be noisy and dusty, but have the best bite out of the street/track pads.

Also, these days, slotted rotors aren't needed for best brake performance with modern pads. Rotor blanks are actually the best for preventing brake fade, but slots add insurance by letting you know for sure that your pads are clean. Slots are also more aesthetically pleasing, which i guess, you can spend the money on if you don't mind.

toplessFC3Sman 06-10-08 11:22 PM

And if you go swapping around and matching brake components from a variety of stock setups, you may want a brake bias adjuster in case the bore in the FD front calipers is slightly different than the FC ones or something.

teddyrx2 06-10-08 11:54 PM


Originally Posted by JerryLH3 (Post 8274680)
Well, if it is a direct bolt on (I honestly don't know, I was relying on what others had said in this thread), then it's definitely easier to use them. However, he said he does have the four piston brakes in the front, which negates any major need to change calipers. The rears will always be single piston, whether the fronts are four piston or not.

As others have said, definitely give it a once over and bleed the system.

Nah my brother is a little slow...hahahaha he does have the 4 piston calipers on his car...sorry i should have gotten back to this thread a little sooner...We thought that putting on the fd rotors would make better stopping difference...but if there the same at the fc 4 piston then there is no need to change them...we will just buy the pads and up grade to drilled rotors...


Originally Posted by Roen (Post 8275268)
there's no reason to use the FD calipers if you're not going to use the FD rotors.

4-pots are only found in the front, all cars came with rear singles. However, if you have 4-pots in the front, then the rear rotors are vented. That's the best setup for the buck imo.

If your car is a street car and don't care about noise and want better performance and save money, go with normal non-slotted rotors and hawk hp+ brake pads. They will be noisy and dusty, but have the best bite out of the street/track pads.

Also, these days, slotted rotors aren't needed for best brake performance with modern pads. Rotor blanks are actually the best for preventing brake fade, but slots add insurance by letting you know for sure that your pads are clean. Slots are also more aesthetically pleasing, which i guess, you can spend the money on if you don't mind.

thanks for the info


Originally Posted by toplessFC3Sman (Post 8275578)
And if you go swapping around and matching brake components from a variety of stock setups, you may want a brake bias adjuster in case the bore in the FD front calipers is slightly different than the FC ones or something.

will do thanks for the info...

uptotibet 06-19-08 11:26 PM

pistonkilla just owned you
and you deserved it because you responded like a dick to him
taste of your own medicine man be nice to people on here


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