car in gear, clutch pressed...car lunges forward when cranking
11-18-07, 04:49 AM
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i wouldnt look at adjusting the clutch because all you can adjust is the pedal take up. i would peronally say that if your hydraulics are in good working order, you can see the fork moving properly when the clutch pedal is depressed that you should look into dropping the trans. from there you can inspect the clutch pressure plate, throw out bearing, and disc. you can recheck the fork and you can inspect the pilot earing. i used a clutch alignment tool to inspect mine. i stuck it in just as the input shaft would be and i rotated it, checking to see if it got hung up. the pilot bearing may have been damaged when it was installed or when the trans was put in. that would just be my suggestion.
11-20-07, 09:08 AM
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TO bearing (new one) was used....since i have no one to watch the slave or press the clutch im going ot video it and see if in fact its losing a small amount of pressure and also to see how far it went. i guess i installed the clutch right since i can put it in gear with no probs. itslides into every gear easily...if the slave shows to be ok, i guess the trans is coming out
11-20-07, 12:02 PM
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so i am assuming the throw out bearing is shot??? i started the car again today, shut both doors and as i revved it the tranny was whining pretty good near the tranny housing....
the clutch felt kind of soft untill i pumped it back up so obviously its leaking right??
man i got this all fucked up!
the clutch felt kind of soft untill i pumped it back up so obviously its leaking right??
man i got this all fucked up!
11-20-07, 12:30 PM
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yes that is definately leaking.
also try this, push the clutch in and try shifting it into gear. DO NOT TAKE YOUR FOOT OFF THE CLUTCH and continue to do this. If you are soon not able to put it in gear then your hydros are toast.
Your sleeve on the master (or slave ... i always get the two mixed up .. the one on top of the trans) might have a tear on the rubber boot.
Not to sacre you but I had an identical problem . .and after adjusting and reinstalling new hydros I finally gave up and just installed a new trans, clutch, and TO .... now it shifts nice and crispy
also try this, push the clutch in and try shifting it into gear. DO NOT TAKE YOUR FOOT OFF THE CLUTCH and continue to do this. If you are soon not able to put it in gear then your hydros are toast.
Your sleeve on the master (or slave ... i always get the two mixed up .. the one on top of the trans) might have a tear on the rubber boot.
Not to sacre you but I had an identical problem . .and after adjusting and reinstalling new hydros I finally gave up and just installed a new trans, clutch, and TO .... now it shifts nice and crispy
11-20-07, 12:38 PM
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well......i just went outside....put the E-brake on....pushed in clutch and STARTED the car.......if i pulled the E-brake off it would slowly roll forward or if i slipped the clutch.....i had a hell of a time getting it outta gear when it was running to...seems to me that the slave is the culpirt!!!
i can get a rebuild kit form NAPA for 12 bucks so i guess its worth a shot!!!
im betting the slave is ****! and i got a leak somewhere so that dont help...
i can get a rebuild kit form NAPA for 12 bucks so i guess its worth a shot!!!
im betting the slave is ****! and i got a leak somewhere so that dont help...
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11-20-07, 11:07 PM
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yeah. after i started talking to my hookup at NAPA we both agreed it would be best to just get a new one. i get it tommorow but i have to work 12 hours and i wont have time to **** with it untill turkey day...
i hope this fixes it.
i hope this fixes it.
11-21-07, 04:04 PM
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U Know I Had The Same Type Of Problem...make Sure That The Clutch Is Align Properly... My "freind" Eye Balled It And I Think Thats What Caused It So I Took Out The Tranny And Then Aligned It With That Tool Thingy And Put The Tranny Back In And It Worked...hasnt Done It Since...
11-21-07, 09:37 PM
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and i def. made sure the clutch was aligned with the alinment tool.....
tommorow we shall see if the NEW slave works or not...
11-22-07, 12:26 AM
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11-22-07, 12:56 AM
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No, this is not your problem.
If you did put the clutch disc backwards, it would have the opposite effect - it would prevent you from engaging the clutch; the transmission would never go into gear.
It really sounds like a failing pilot bearing.
I was afraid of it from the beginning.
Did you horse the trans and engine together?
If so, there's a good chance you damaged the pilot bearing from the installation.
The other option is that the clutch fork failed or popped off the pivot ball.
If this is the case, you'd need to seperate the trans from the engine anyways.
It sure looks like you need to just bite the bullet and remove the trans.
BTW, isn't this engine still breaking in?
I dunno why you're bitching about the slow starting in the Haltech section - that's all normal and part of the break-in process.
When the compression builds up, the starting is going to get easier and easier...
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If you did put the clutch disc backwards, it would have the opposite effect - it would prevent you from engaging the clutch; the transmission would never go into gear.
It really sounds like a failing pilot bearing.
I was afraid of it from the beginning.
Did you horse the trans and engine together?
If so, there's a good chance you damaged the pilot bearing from the installation.
The other option is that the clutch fork failed or popped off the pivot ball.
If this is the case, you'd need to seperate the trans from the engine anyways.
It sure looks like you need to just bite the bullet and remove the trans.
BTW, isn't this engine still breaking in?
I dunno why you're bitching about the slow starting in the Haltech section - that's all normal and part of the break-in process.
When the compression builds up, the starting is going to get easier and easier...
-Ted
11-22-07, 01:10 AM
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no horse play...my friend picked the tranny up between his legs and slid the shaft into the motor as i put a bolt in...then i proceeded to do the rest of the bolts while he held it...to be honest i cant remember if i cranked on the bolts to pull it together or not ( i hope we didnt, i think it slid right on without a problem) but i got then new slave and ill find out tommorow if that will cure it or not....if it dont, i guess the trans comes out....i dont want to because i am moving to a house with no garage and ill be screwed untill next summer
me being new to a fresh rebuild + a haltech does come out to me concerned about hard starting...i figured i could be able to start it without stomping the gas alot to get it to fire....hell, it hasnt left the garage since last november when i got it...the only thing keeping it from this is the tranny problem...
me being new to a fresh rebuild + a haltech does come out to me concerned about hard starting...i figured i could be able to start it without stomping the gas alot to get it to fire....hell, it hasnt left the garage since last november when i got it...the only thing keeping it from this is the tranny problem...
11-22-07, 03:58 PM
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well.......it didnt fix it....i guess i should have gotten the slave anyways but it wasnt the fix...
so now the car will have the front bumper removed and towed to my house im moving into sometime next week....sucks...i was hoping to get a few miles on it to store it...guess im just gonna get some fogging oil for the motor and wait unitll next year....
also, the fork has some decent play in it...im going to DL the transmission part of the FSM to see what the limit is but it just dont seem right....it wines pretty good when the clutch is out to....but when i started it while in gear the tranny didnt wine.....
to be continued.......
so now the car will have the front bumper removed and towed to my house im moving into sometime next week....sucks...i was hoping to get a few miles on it to store it...guess im just gonna get some fogging oil for the motor and wait unitll next year....
also, the fork has some decent play in it...im going to DL the transmission part of the FSM to see what the limit is but it just dont seem right....it wines pretty good when the clutch is out to....but when i started it while in gear the tranny didnt wine.....
to be continued.......
11-22-07, 04:47 PM
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believe you me....if i had the time at the moment i would...
i might be ale to sucker a friend in helping next week....we will see....
i might be ale to sucker a friend in helping next week....we will see....
11-22-07, 07:09 PM
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Maybe it's a northern thing, but why do some of you guys act like your rotary engine powered vehicle cannot be driven between the months of december and april? I know there is a greater chance of inclement weather (snow/ice) up there but it doesnt happen every day, and cold air temperatures don't impede the car's ability to move under it's own power. I'd drive that **** every day that it wasn't supposed to snow/sleet. Storing a rotary engine is one of the worst things you can do, and the rest of the car doesnt take well to it either...fuel system, battery, tires, belts, hoses, etc.
11-22-07, 08:24 PM
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its not the cold air that bothers me (except when its time to work on them)...its the ice covered roads that do...when it snows (if it starts, its here to stay) you get maybe 2 weeks of dry roads to drive on from dec. to april...im right smack in a snow belt....sucks! if i could drive this car all year i would!
i could always get some diggers and sand bags for the rear....but you got to accomodate for all the salt they use here to....if you dont wash your car more than 1 time a week....you can see the salt just covered on your car....
i may just say **** it and rip that damn tranny out and replace that pilot bearing that prob got damaged...i should replace the fork and pivot ball while im in there!
ive been reading how these Xtreme clutch and PP are so hard on them...
i could always get some diggers and sand bags for the rear....but you got to accomodate for all the salt they use here to....if you dont wash your car more than 1 time a week....you can see the salt just covered on your car....
i may just say **** it and rip that damn tranny out and replace that pilot bearing that prob got damaged...i should replace the fork and pivot ball while im in there!
ive been reading how these Xtreme clutch and PP are so hard on them...
11-22-07, 10:30 PM
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Maybe it's a northern thing, but why do some of you guys act like your rotary engine powered vehicle cannot be driven between the months of december and april? I know there is a greater chance of inclement weather (snow/ice) up there but it doesnt happen every day, and cold air temperatures don't impede the car's ability to move under it's own power. I'd drive that **** every day that it wasn't supposed to snow/sleet. Storing a rotary engine is one of the worst things you can do, and the rest of the car doesnt take well to it either...fuel system, battery, tires, belts, hoses, etc.
I'de never get my car too far around until I hit the local highways.
But yeah, it's a northren thing.
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