Camero (police car) VS rx7 NA
 

ok, I was driving to work today, like every weekday and I always think, Im on the highway my 87 NA can get up to 180-200KM/h easy enough I dont have to worry about the police and their little Ford Impalas, but then I remembered that our city now has a camero highway pursuit cruiser (having his lights on at the side pulling over a van jogged my memory and my foot came off the gas for a few seconds) and im wondering would that kick the shit out of me on the high way? Im thinking it would, just want to check what you guys think.

-Daryl

Re: Camero (police car) VS rx7 NA
 

I think they would also. The Impalas would also. I don't think the engines they have in the Police cars are the stock engines found at the dealership. I wouldn't try to out run the police unless you are on a mountain road and have a GOOD suspension and know how to drive.

my .02

Carl

Generally speaking, I'd bet they would whoop your ass...&nbsp Why?&nbsp Cause those bitches take driving schools that TEACH them how to control their cars and the limits.&nbsp Unless I'm sorely underestimating your driving skill, I'd give the easy nod to the police.

You haven't been to Hawaii, huh.&nbsp They are running Camaro SS's and Mustang Cobras over there now...not just stock, full exhaust, brake kits, suspension...&nbsp Any of these guy would laugh if you tried to get away from them. :D



-Ted

Woah woah woah....Your saying a ford impala will beat my 87 Rx7? I got a pretty good engine in my mother fucker with racing beat full straight exhaust no cats. and KN air filter....

Impala will beat me on the highway?

please tell me otherwise

Yes, even those crappy Impalas - don't they make 200hp out of a 6-cylinder?&nbsp You need to remember that most police departments are under strict orders to back down on chases that get close to 100mph or ~160kph for you...

I don't know if your police department does high-speed drivers training, but I got to see some action at the CHP (California, USA) training site, and it's impressive...



-Ted

The Cop Camaros will Run 197MPH and have ~ 400 Hp. It is crazy speed. My friend testdrove one that was on a used car lot once. They will Fly. ;)

Nothing can outrun the Motorola's. They travel at the speed of light or somewhere close.

Chevy Makes Impala's:D :D :D

HA!! Are you kidding me? The mustang suspension is a friggin' joke.. for that matter, Ford suspension is a joke. Not just the settings and parts they use, but the chassis hardpoints and all else that could affect the handling of the vehicle, just plain suck. A friend of mine works on the suspension for the Lincoln LS, and they change something by like .1 degrees and it drastically changes the handling of the vehicle. Meanwhile, their manufacturing tolerances allow for like 1-2 degrees either way, so that .1 degree that changed the whole car, imagine that multiplied by ten or twenty.. "Quality is Job One" Yeah right.

And on a similar note, the Camaros (and Mustangs) are friggin' boats with four wheels. They're incredibly overweight, sure lots of power would screw you (the criminal) on the highway, but take just about any RX-7 with over 200hp and you could lose 'em on a moderately twisty road ANY day.

Then again, you can't outrun the radio.

Well, I could be wrong, but I didn't know that Ford made the Impala, I thought that was Chevy. Also, the Impala's they have near me are making well over the 200hp. I was next to one on the highway when he had one leave on a call. How quickly he pulled was similar to a 3rd gen. Plus, I have seen them leave stop lights on a call. I doubt my 2nd gen could keep up. So, I don't know what Impala you have near you, but they don't seem to be the same as I have near me.

Carl

Police cars have a feature that makes them much faster than an RX-7: contact with other police cars! Running from cops (or claiming you can) is about the stupidest damn thing you can do.

You do know the Cobras all run IRS rears now, right? :eek: They might not be in the same class in sophistication and design engineering as the FC IRS, but it drastically improved the suspension versus the live rear axles...

It still comes down to driving skill.&nbsp I know a bunch of these cops regularly autocross every month!



-Ted

I wouldn't play with a cop's Camaro with my TII, so I wouldn't suggest it in a N/A.

Around my old house we had few camaro SS's, 2 93 Mustang Cobras and one 99 Cobra. I lived near 3 major interstates so it was very common to see them. Near Charlotte, NC I have seen an M3.

yea I dunno the cops are just too organized, this isnt fast and the furious. I see those Camaro's all over the fuckin freeway. But I wouldnt ever try to run from one, there isnt a point. in town in residential it might be a different story , because they cant speed around in residential and if you know someone who lives close by call them up and tell them to open the garage and fly in. otherwise the cops will fry your ass, there like fuckin cayotes they work in pack's

oh yea, if they ever get these happening, anyone who will run from the cops will get creamed

LOL. Daryll, stop running from cops. When you go to court for all those tickets, you're gonna be fucked....
Camaro was never spelled CAMERO, and it is completely incorrect.
Chevy makes the Impala, and as I thought, the police version begins with Chevy's 270 hp 6 cylinder, then adds a few things.
Daryll, you would lose. I know how you drive, just like every other 19 year old kid out there including me. Think that we can out drive anyone. I recall the 16 year old saying that: "No one can drift as good as me...." lol. Just because we can get our cars up to 240-260 km/hr every now and then doesn't mean we can out-drive people who have taken driving school.
And they would get your plates. You can't outrun ICBC. Don't attempt it man. Woulda thought the $560 speeding ticket woulda taught you!
LOL, man, keep it up.
Congrats on the new car, btw. Heard its nice. You should be around 120-125 rwhp now.
Sean Cathcart

This might make you think twice...

http://www.geocities.com/fdkai2000/pca_jp.htm

Just curious, have you ever actually driven a newer model Camaro? I can't speak for the mustang (and wouldn't...don't like 'em!), but my daily driver is a 95 Trans Am, and I spent 2 years with my TII as my daily driver and I still have that car, so I have speant a LOT of time driving both. Sometimes I would go out and drive one and come home and immediately swap out to the other, you get the best feel for any differences like that. It's amazing all the little things you pick up on when you go right from one vehicle to the other. I won't argue that the Camaros/Trans Am's aren't bigger and heavier. They are. But they are FAR FAR from a "boat on wheels" see a Lincoln Town Car or any SUV for that matter if you want to know what a land yacht looks like. Before I get flamed here, let me say I LOVE RX-7's, and I love my Trans Am. But I am not blind to the faults of either one just becasue I like them. BOTH are true driver's cars in every sense of the word, but BOTH have their own unique problems as well as their advantages. Here is something I wrote a week or so ago comparing the two cars:

On a personal note, my second car was an 87 TII (still have it though....I'm not letting that one get away!) and my current car is a 95 Trans Am, so I have a lot of experience with both cars. The TA is much faster in a straight line, but there is a lot of potential in the TII motor, you just have to know how to get it out, and doing so isn't exactly cheap. Acceleration is all about power to weight ratios, and the TII weighs less, so you won't need to match the horsepower numbers of the WS6.

As for handling, my personal opinion is that the TA's handling is far from being like a "pig" or "elephant". They are different from the RX-7. Actually they are great handling cars, you just have to get used to and know how to deal with their width and weight, and most especially the live axle rear end. If those cars had independent rears they would be phenomonal. They are big, low, and wide, but you don't start to get really hampered by their weight until you start getting into really tight corners and switchbacks, like slow second gear conrners. They stick like crazy though steady state, they just aren't as good at quick transitions. They have very good handling characteristics and are easy to steer with the throttle. They aren't the best autocross car, but once the speeds get higher like on a road course they start to shine. So in faster corners ON SMOOTH PAVEMENT (that damn live axle!) I would say the cars are equal, and it is going to come down to tire selection and DRIVER SKILL more than anything. That's comparing corner for corner. Around any road course, the TA will be faster lap for lap because of its huge horsepower advantage and it handles ALMOST as well as the TII. The TII by comparison gives much more driver feedback...you really feel connected to the car. They are a little harder to drive smoothly, but once you get in a rythm they are very rewarding cars to drive. They are much more adept at intial turn in and switchbacks. All in all, the TA is a faster car hands down, but the TII is probably more fun to drive.

LOL dude are you on crack? hah.

197mph? Thats ferrari and lambo territory.

The Police edition camaro has a top speed of 163mph. As does the firebird. The mustangs are a little less in the 140's.


Action

ok lets see here... do u think theyd give a cop some slow ass car to drive??? Yes those things are modified, ive seen some of the newer model of cop cars with vette engines that are fast! So they dont drive a POS. Those things are made to handle almost anyone! and yes even old shitty looking cop cars can move!

when I visited europe about 3 years ago (family trip) we went on the autobahn for about 2 hours. I remember seeing Lotus Police cars... dont remember which one it was, I know it was the big one, that was twin turbo...
andyways, the american police will never be able to compete with a modified lotus for sheer coolness factor. and I bet since it was an autobahn patrol car, it did (does) well OVER 200 mph... I remember it had the huge wing... It looked so funny...

Well, if ford made an impala, maybe, but it is a chevy impala, and yes, the new impala's and Especially the camaro's would own an 87 n/a, maybe not a hot TII but definitely an N/A

FYI those unmarked red vans on the vancouver area highways have NOS :)

I hope you're kidding Scott......
Sean Cathcart

Hate to burst your bubble, oh wait, no i don't...

The information I have collected (from local law enforcement officers) indicates that the Newer Crown Vics Top out at ~119 MPH, while the LT1 Caprice's topped out at 127-130. I am not up to date on the Impalas as none of the officers I know is driving one yet. I heard a couple of years ago that police Firebirds topped out at 159 MPH.

Also, mustungs do not all handle poorly. My neighbor drives a 96 or 97 Saleen (with upgraded suspension)and it is handles/corners very well.

I read an article in car and driver that said the police Impala( which is a Chevy)topped out at 115 to120mph.As for the Camaro if it is a newer(93 and above) he will be faster than your n/a.Like others have said you can't outrun the radio.

saleens arent mustangs, when it comes to suspension. they have racecraft suspensions, not Ford ones. that means that when it comes to handeling, its not a ford, its a saleen.

My dads Crown Vic cop car only had a 4.6L SOHC Mustang GT engine in it. It did good to run 120. Also the 1LE cop Camaros are basically stripped Z28s. Don't fuck with em unless you have a modded up TII with no tag on it, and a death wish.

Just thought I'd throw this out as food for thought... Earlier this summer I was out in the country finding some fun roads to drive... And got passed by a V8 Firebird Vert with the top down. I chased him as best as I could. We came to a stop sign and stopped. We both took off. He went sideways and was gone... Not surprising. When I cought up with him, he took off again. Now we're in some slight turns going 110-130mph. Now... Surprise... He outhandled the shit outt my upgraded N/A. I was pushin it pretty hard too. Harder than I felt comfortable with anyway. To the point I could hear the tires start to scream. I'm sure when it comes to shallow turns (country roads, freeways), where a light RX-7 doesnt have the advantage of quick weight transfer. A heavy, yet powerful car would chase your ass down with ease. So lets just leave it at that and not find out. :)

If the police cars up there are anything like they are down here then no, you would not stand a chance. The impalas will run about 125-130 which is doable not counting radio, ect. The camaro's probably have a 4 speed in them which is not an option available to the public. The hi/po camaro's here would run around 160mph and it was very quick off the line as well.

we have not heard any straight ideas, there all boggled, recently in the newspaper there was a ford mustang (nothin impressive) base model like 98 it outran out crown vics, and impala's. The only way it got caught was the licence plate number!

Thats not an option available to anyone... You either get a 4 speed auto or a 6 speed manual. The 1LE cop package uses the standard Z28 drivetrain.

You guys make me laugh! LOL I have read tests on the Crown Vic and Impala. The Impala has a 200 hp V6. It goes 0-60 in 9.7 seconds, or about there. The Crown Vic has a 4.6L V8 (Detuned Mustang engine) that makes around 235 hp. It goes 0-60 in 9.5-10 seconds too. The police packages are actually a little slower than the regular models because of the extra weight and drag of the lights, cages, etc. There is no way an Impala could run with a 3rd Gen RX-7.

As for the Camaro, I haven't read anything in magazines about them, but I think they are just Z-28s. 305 CI 300 hp engine.

Now with that said, don't try to out run them. If they don't call someone that gets in front of you, they will get your tack number and you will be in BIG trouble for resisting arrest. Drive safely. :D

The police edition caprice has the interceptor engine. This allows the car to run low 17's. Not very fast. I assume the crown vics are just as slow. All cop cars handle like poo. They are made to run ppl off the road, not to drift around turns.

Talking about fast police cars, you should see the cars the the special "Force S" here in Greece has...

This is a special task force created to chase down -supposedly- criminals with powerful getaway cars, but in reality these are cars used to chase down participants in car gatherings/happenings ;)

Some of their cars are Porsche Carrera 4S, Ford Sierra Cosworth RS500, Ford Escort Cosworth, Mercedes 190-2.5 24V, Alfa 156 3.0 V6 etc.....some of these cars are heavily modified as well....

the chevy impala's they drive now have 205 HP in a 3.8L v6 engine, and all they have is a better exhaust ssytem and different computer....some poeple are just sooo full of shit

CB

whoever said saleen's arent mustangs is a fool, its just a modded mustang. thats like saying a rx-7 with mods isnt a rx-7 b/c its been changed a little

Thought I'd throw in my $0.02, since my stepdad is an ex-cop, and I've spent a good bit of my life around cops...

The Crown Vic police package, called the "Interceptor", while not slow, isn't fast. It's got a detuned 4.6 SOHC engine and tops out at about 118. They're very heavy (heavier than the civilian versions) due to a heavy duty suspension. Avail only in 4 spd OD auto. The drag of the lightbars prevents them from reaching the top speeds of the civilian version.

The Fox-bodied mustang police packages are stock 5.0 cars, all notchbacks. They pull slightly lower times than the civilian versions, and top out about 140. BUT they get very floaty about ~120, so cops don't like to take 'em much faster than that. Only AOD. C_d is higher due to lightbars and notchback body.

The Fox-body T-bird po packages basically follow the same formula - stock engine/drivetrain, heavier suspension, high C_d. 5.0 V8, slightly less power than the mustang versions. 4 spd AOD only (seeing a trend yet?)

The Impalas have 200 hp V6s. Cops don't like 'em because of bad experiences with the old Luminas. FWD cars tend to break axles when hopping curbs and the like. They do 0-60 in about 9, due to the high C_d and weight.

Keep in mind that all these cars are carrying a few hundred pounds of equipment in the form of firearms, ammo, light bars, computers, forms, radios, etc, etc. It adds up.

The new Camaro police package cars are Z28s with spoilers and the AOD tranny. They generally do not use light bars in order to keep the C_d roughly the same, which also saves weight. Their drivers go through extensive training in both high-speed and low-speed-tight-quarters maneuvering. Their cars have beefier suspensions, and can handle very slightly better than stock Z28s. All the ones here (Tallahassee, FL) are of the latest generation, and thus have the 350 cu. in. pushrod V8 good for 310 hp (underrated). Their top speed is closer to 165ish MPH.

But remember... no car is faster than Motorola. Even at top speed (155), your car is doing %0.00001389 of the speed of light. You don't stand a chance.

Brandon

I know for a fact a 4-speed manual is on the hi/po camaros down here at least because I used to work for the chevy dealership in town and delivered the hi/po camaro from the dealership to the officers home on several occasions. I asked the boss about ordering one for me with a 350 and 4-speed and he said it only comes that way in the police package. This would have been in 1989.

Umm Not the impalas here, they have a LT1 vette engine. Dunno bout the crown, we have a couple those too, they say they are not very fast. Maybe we talking 2 diff impalas. i'm talking the big 4 door ss rear whell drive a couple years back not the new midsized.

I'll try to post up this site, It has a detailed list of what the cop cars are packing in different states. You gotta remember that alot of these cars are repoed (ex; that sweeeeet looking vette the cops got, u'know the blue one they show in the ads all the time) Also the local state PDs make a deal with the factories (mainly ford or chevy) (factories are only out to make $$) Ex, one of the police crusiers here WAS a vette w/ the L88 engine (i think) they sold it cause someone out ran it (video also will be posted,...no it wasn't me)

you all amuse me.....when u post make sure to add year models and engine sizes so as not to confuse others and even yourselves about what your saying.....impalas haev a 350 cu in. motor w/270 hP IF they are from 1994-1996 the new ones are no longer rear wheel drive and have a 205 hP 3.8l v6 engine, i own both so i know the differences, my 1996 impalla SS will do 0-60 in just about 6 seconds, and the front wheel drive 3.8l v6 will do it in about 8

CB

Ok, the police did not use an Impala SS they used a Caprice equipped with the LT1 motor. When the rest of us refer to an impala we mean the new mid-sized fwd ones w/ 3.8 V6. The 4-door you are reffering to is the one we talk about topping out at 127-130 while the civilian 94-96 Impala SS tops out at ~135. Again the added weight and drag from the police equipment reduce the speeds. These cars are capable of much more but the popos don't bother to soup them up very much, as most taxpayers wouldn't go for that expense.

In terms of sheer speed the fastest cop cars I have dealt with are the Impalas. In Arkansas cop cars are bought with a state wide contract bid. When Chevy had the contract the Impalas came equipped with the police package, which included among other things the LT-1 engine. They are fast, fast, fast. I know for a fact they will smoke our Ford Crown Vic Interceptor cars. I do not know what the top speed actually is but I have had the Impala at 140 and the Ford at 130 as indicated by the RADAR unit. Both cars had speed left. I was too chicken to push either of them faster.

Comnpletely agree with nathanbdarby67.

I too own a 87 TII and a 94 Formula. Both cars a a great joy to drive. I used to race a 79 RX7 with slicks and fully setup for racing.

One day I raced it and a friends 2000 T/A, I thought for sure a fully setup RX7 with race tires would be faster. Especially on a tight autocross track. I drove both cars so drivers were the same. I was 4 seconds faster in the T/A, which by the way I had never driven before that day. I could not beleive it. So of course I had to buy one. Of course it's not a LS1 but is the same suspension and overall car.

And I have never been beat buy a second gen while racing my first gen. Even the guys with the hopped up TII's. I have yet to race my TII I will race it this season just to see how it does.

So the Cam/Birds are not by any means a boat, they will hang right with you in the twistys. And then some. But I still love my TII, just something about it.:D

First thing. I once tried to race an LS1 Camaro at highway speeds. I never caught him (89 NA with mods, a little over 200HP at the wheels). So, good luck....

Second. My cousin is a cop. We have had many conversations on this sorta thing :) This is what he has told me (statutes for all Texas Peace Officers).

If a car is traveling 130+ MPH and the cop is standing still, they CANNOT persue you. They would have to 1) Travel faster than you to catch you (duh). 2) Have to catch you in a "reasonable" amount of time. It would take the cop 1-2 minutes to catch you from a stand still if you where going that fast. And most importantly - they CANNOT lose sight of you.....

About the radio..... If he cannot see your plates (how could you @ 130+ MPH) he cannot prove IN COURT it was you:) So, if you're going that fast and you pass a cop, better find a turn off sooner or later. The cop will still be behind you a ways, so he will not see you, and you further improve your chances of winning in court (if he decides to cite you).

I have outrun cops before by finding turn offs when they where out off site, but I was scared as hell. I don't know if I would ever try to outrun them and stay on the same road. And if I EVER saw a `copter overhead I would give it up !!!!

One more thing. This "boat" bussiness doesn't mean diddly. They (Car and Driver I believe) did a test on a `Vette last year. Sure, a Rex could out Slalom the thing, but as they said, and I quote "The shear horsepower of the car makes up for any short commings in the handeling department".

And how many times do you tell a guy who is "romping" his engine at you - "Hey, follow me to this winding road and I'll race" ?????

Yeah 89 was before the 4th gen was even released.... I'm talking about the 4th gen Camaros, only the poorest police department would still be using a car from 1989.

Well, one thing I'm sure we can agree on is that if you aren't around some really twisty roads where you can duck into, don't run on a cop, no matter HOW fast you are. All they gotta do is get your licence plate on their camera's.
Sean