4 point harness w/ stock seat
 

i just ordered a 4 point harness and im about to order some seats but i was woundering how well would the harness work w/ the stock seats. i dont think it work that well because the seat doesnt have the holes in the headrest and if break hard i think my soulders might slip out but i dont know what do you think

do u have a rollbar?

You're talking about the one-piece seat back?

DON'T DO IT!

These racing harnesses are designed to run through support holes *through* the seat back.
If you don't have those support holes, the harness is next to useless.

If you try and use them with those seats, they will probably slip down the sides in an accident, which will cause serious harm and injury to yourself.

I'm sorry, but you need a dedicated "racing seat" with the proper support holes to properly use these racing harnesses.


-Ted

Yeah, if you don't have a rollbar, don't use a harness.

and the follow up question... "do you have a helmet?"

I'll never forget the thread I read about this. here's a summary:

1) racing harness keeps you stilll, which is good so long as you have a...
2) roll cage/bar which keeps the car from collapsing on you as your held still. this is very good so long as you have a...
3) helmet which keeps your noggin from getting bashed open as it smacks against the tightly fit rollcage/bar.

of course none of this matters so long as you never get in a wreck :)

well i purchasing all of that right now. i have a friend that works in a motorcycle shop that can get me a sweet deal on a helmet. and i am also looking at a 6 point foll cage. im not sure about what kind of seats, i was lookin on ebay and here is what i found.

Unknown Brand
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ayphotohosting

Monza
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33701

Mazdaspeed
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...spagename=WDVW

yes they work with stock seats, i have 3" belts right now and the fit perfectly around the seat. If i was in a wreck the is no way the would slide off my shoulders.

do you have a rolle cage. also i was thinking you know how those luggage straps are in the back well what if you take those out and hookup your shoulder straps to the mount behide your seet

You should consider racing seats such as Sparco, MOMO, and Cobra. You can can get one of the lower priced models like the Sprint, Start, or Monaco. You will not be able to recline the seat back but, these seats are entry racing seats and will be alot safer than the seats you referenced. You most likely will have to make custon brackets for any aftermarket seat you get. I have the Cobra Monaco's that I purchased from http://www.polepositionusa.com/ for $269 each with free shipping.

4-point belts suck. The 5th belt on a 5-point is not there to hold you by your crotch. It's there to keep the tension on the shoulder belts from pulling the lap belt off your hips and into your guts, causing internal injury.

ahh didnt think of that
or read

but if you have the 4point tight enough do you really have to worry about the buckle hitting your gut. and also i know that with the nylon straps they are made to strectch 20% longer when a accident happens. but i was just wounder is the 5th strap a must or what.

On the helmet issue. Keep in mind that MC helmets have different ratings and standards than Auto helments. Some sanctioning bodies will not accept the MC designation for drag or road racing. The odd thing is, the helments are often identical in construction, they just have a different certification. Check with your buddy before making your final purchase, and the rules for whatever type of competition you will be involved in.

didnt think of that either

got pictures?

no the harness is on its way but my interior is all stock if i can figure out how to get my pics to work ill keep ya updated

Rock the stock belts...just get a CG Lock(or whatever it's called) these will hold you in awesomely for the track and allow your body to move the way it needs to if you get in a wreck/rollover

Generally the difference is that the auto helmet will have a fire-resistant nomex liner, and the moto helmet will be lined with whatever material was on sale the week it was made. ;)

If you get a rollbar or cage you should get a "SA" rated helmet not a "M" rated helmet. A "SA" rated helmet is designed for multiple impacts against a rollbar or cage. The "SA" will also have a Nomex liner.

Would REALLY appreciate some pics of your belts with the stock seats. I'm about to do that myself--or have it done--and I'd like to see how the belts are arranged around the shoulders/seat headrest. TIA

Do the belts go *through* the seats?
Are we talking about vert seats with the adjustable headrests?

If not, you are taking a serious risk that could kill you.
Deceleration G's are 5...10...sometimes higher.
Trust me, the belts will slip off - there is no way you can test that safely.


-Ted

well i have a problem right now i cant get any of my pics to work i try everything the site sais to but they wont showup when i hit preview. i have the belt right no but no cage. and i am woundering where i can mount my shoulder straps that is my biggest problem if any of you could help me with that and getting my pics to work i would beable to show you. plus i dont know if any of you saw my thread about the antena being up when i have the radio off well i fixed that too my antenna does not function (go up) anymore. i can still listen to the radio and my cd's and mp3's. it took a little work but my radio still works

actually, my dads car has 5 point harnesses on stock seats and i think there great.

Get seats with those harness.

is there a site where i can buy straps for my harness because there is a slot where i can make it a 5 point