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Fc3sDreamer 07-17-07 02:40 AM

4 lug to 5 lug swap
 
Um i know there is a thread about this somewhere... but when i use the search button it never loads my searches... i dont think it likes me much:( . So if anybody can link me to it or a site that tell you how to do it i would be very grateful. thanks.

walken 07-17-07 04:01 AM

it's pretty straight forward. you pop your old hubs off and install your new hubs, rotors, and front calipers.

VacavilleFC 07-17-07 04:10 AM

gotta buy new brake lines though

McHack 07-17-07 07:34 AM

And TII master cylinder..

pfsantos 07-17-07 07:49 AM

I have the swap, minus the 4-piston calipers/brakes. Works, but I hope to get the brakes one of these days - I want to get the booster and master cylinder / proportioning valve when I do the swap. Just another option.

See if this search link works...I just typed "5 lug swap" under 2nd gen. archives.

https://www.rx7club.com/search.php?searchid=3657952

SpooledupRacing 07-17-07 08:34 AM

what is your reason behind this for 5 lug brakes or for 5 lug hubs touse 5 lug wheels

farberio 07-17-07 08:40 AM

Front Hubs,
Pop off the cap, undo the clip, take off the nut holder, unscrew the nut. Voila, the hub is off.
Rear hubs are held on by three bolts, and a nut at the end of the axle. It takes a bit of prying to get off.

You do not need a TII Master Cylinder, I don't have one on my swap. You will need the hardlines on the 4 pots. Your front brake line should split into two pieces if you can manage to do it, otherwise you will need to get the front brake line as well.

If you go to vented rear disks you will need TII calipers or almost dead brake pads. I recommend the TII calipers...for obvious reasons.

If you take off the rear calipers be careful, usually the bolts are stuck in there pretty good. (Steel bolt on Aluminum bracket)

stevej88na 07-17-07 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by farberio (Post 7144658)
Front Hubs,
Pop off the cap, undo the clip, take off the nut holder, unscrew the nut. Voila, the hub is off.
Rear hubs are held on by three bolts, and a nut at the end of the axle. It takes a bit of prying to get off.

You do not need a TII Master Cylinder, I don't have one on my swap. You will need the hardlines on the 4 pots. Your front brake line should split into two pieces if you can manage to do it, otherwise you will need to get the front brake line as well.

If you go to vented rear disks you will need TII calipers or almost dead brake pads. I recommend the TII calipers...for obvious reasons.

If you take off the rear calipers be careful, usually the bolts are stuck in there pretty good. (Steel bolt on Aluminum bracket)

Good info, but I believe without the proper engine bay equipment, the brake balance is thrown off. I'd still get the brake booster that drove the 5-lug system originally. Also, RXTASY's write-up hay be helpful: http://howto.globalvicinity.com/gv_w...i=51&co=1&vi=1

oakback 07-17-07 12:42 PM

Doesn't the TII have the same brakes as any 5-lug, 4-pot setup? I have vented front and rear rotors, 4 pot brakes, lines, booster, and p-valve, all from a GXL.

misterstyx69 07-17-07 12:54 PM

I have done the 4-5 lug swap without Replacing the Proportional Valve and the Master..it Works Just FINE..and you are going to "find out" there is more than one master cylinder to put on your car..I have Here THREE different ones..MY SUGGESTION,is to just change the BOOSTER,as it is Smaller on the four lug setup(five lug booster is bigger)..if you go to TII Booster,you are going to need a Vaccum Hose,that has a check valve in it...Trust me on this,,I have the Set-ups of pretty well All the FC's Brakes,In my shed..

SpooledupRacing 07-17-07 01:31 PM

styx it right however I plan to do the swap without either

Jager 07-17-07 01:45 PM

You need:

The hubs, rotors, calipers, new pads, the front hardlines on the calipers and for ideal performance, the brake booster.

The master cylinder really doesn't apply, goto Mazdatrix and take a look at the cylinders and realize how there is only 3-4 actual cylinders, and that has mostly to do with ABS or AAS.

SpooledupRacing 07-17-07 02:21 PM

I cant wait untill I do my swap it will be less involved

Fc3sDreamer 07-17-07 02:25 PM

thanks guys. alot of good info.

farberio 07-17-07 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by Jager (Post 7145744)
The master cylinder really doesn't apply, goto Mazdatrix and take a look at the cylinders and realize how there is only 3-4 actual cylinders, and that has mostly to do with ABS or AAS.

Yeah, I remembered that after I posted. The master cylinder is the same, though the fluid container may be bigger on TII models. I bet mazdatrix only sells the bigger container.

I am using the 4 lug brake booster and I don't have any problems.

As stevej88na said http://howto.globalvicinity.com/gv_w...i=51&co=1&vi=1
I used that website a lot to figure out my swap. I wish his was a tad more detailed...but I am too lazy to e-mail him a good write up.


Originally Posted by Gatlin (Post 7145744)
Doesn't the TII have the same brakes as any 5-lug, 4-pot setup? I have vented front and rear rotors, 4 pot brakes, lines, booster, and p-valve, all from a GXL.

I thought that there was a 5 lug setup with solid rear disks, these used the single pot rear brakes. I am not 100% sure about this though.

stevej88na 07-17-07 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by farberio (Post 7146411)
As stevej88na said http://howto.globalvicinity.com/gv_w...i=51&co=1&vi=1
I used that website a lot to figure out my swap. I wish his was a tad more detailed...but I am too lazy to e-mail him a good write up...

Thanks! Quick correction though, that's actually RXTASY's writeup (note the author below the title). I've posted the minority of the 80+ how-tos we have. It's easy to add new info yourself if you log in, you don't have to redo the whole thing that way. Just log in and click "edit" at the bottom.

edit: if you update someone else's article, you get credit in the "contributors list" next to the author's name.

Jager 07-17-07 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by farberio (Post 7146411)
Yeah, I remembered that after I posted. The master cylinder is the same, though the fluid container may be bigger on TII models. I bet mazdatrix only sells the bigger container.

I am using the 4 lug brake booster and I don't have any problems.

As stevej88na said http://howto.globalvicinity.com/gv_w...i=51&co=1&vi=1
I used that website a lot to figure out my swap. I wish his was a tad more detailed...but I am too lazy to e-mail him a good write up.



I thought that there was a 5 lug setup with solid rear disks, these used the single pot rear brakes. I am not 100% sure about this though.

Ah, I wasn't saying you were wrong, just left some stuff out ;).

But you can use the smaller booster, to make the swap 100% complete, it would be involve a brake booster, which are for sale for like $130 with a core from most parts stores.

pfsantos 07-18-07 08:18 AM

5 bolt 5-bolt swap fewest parts
 
I got some info from my buddy who got me the parts for my 5-bolt swap. He got the front and rear hubs and front caliper brackets (for one-piston calipers) from the 89-91 Base or Mid-grade models with the 5-bolt wheels and single-piston calipers.

I don't have the better brakes (4-piston front and vented disk rears from the GXL's or TurboII's), but if you just want to go with 5-bolt (for looks or other wheels), this is all you need. Forgot to mention...you need disks all around - I got new ones. In my case, I really just wanted to be able to put on 2nd. gen. 5-bolt wheels for now and get the brakes in the future when budget and timing permits. Just another option for us...

Fc3sDreamer 07-20-07 04:07 AM

yeah i'm doing the swap for the 4 piston caliper reason. not really the wheel styling.


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