rotary works vmount inetcooler
 

I was curious if anyone is running this yet? They just released it on 2/25/10. I know they have been doing the work on Jeff Jones's formula d car. Also having some really fast 3 rotor cars shows they know what they are doing. I just bought the kit for my rx7. Price is far from bad. I am really interested to see how things look. I am sure they will be the next big buy for any turbo car here!

on a side note my ebay greddy knock off fmic will be for sale soon

im about to buy it for my brewfc, it looks legit and well made. pretty damned cheap for a whole bolt in kit, if you ask me

Lloyd

Anybody got the Neukin vmount kit? What exactly comes with the kit? the info on the site is kind of minimal.

1200$ seems like a pretty good deal so i was thinking of buying it instead of a Greddy fmic, but now i might go for the rotary works one?

i am not sure if it is a whole kit. I noticed it says nothing about pipeing. I am kinda curious what type of blow off valve it comes with too. I will have pics once my kit arrives.

the rotary works thread stated it came with all piping, a synchronic BOV, just no ducting..........which is kinda needed.

Lloyd

can i ask why you want to sell your greddy knock off?
pm me

Thanks

You dont have a link to the thread do you? I searched and couldnt find anything which is why i posted in the first place haha

I tired to go to their website but it was not working, the price sounds interesting, Im assuming it does not come with a radiator or fan correct?

http://www.rotary-works.com/mm5/merc...gory_Code=INCK

it looks pretty complete and the price is hard to beat. comes with alot of little things most people forget about to like the water neck. If i didnt JUST buy an intercooler, I would get it.

I kinda wanted to see how much of the front end needs to be hacked up though

I tried to go to that site last night and could not, it does look like a steal at $1100

Definitely a next winter project if im not happy with how the car runs this summer

like i said, it was in their thread. i cant find that thread anymore either. its a complete kit, minus the ducts, but those arent that hard to make.
bomb price, 1300 including the oil cooler, just need some lines and ducting and yuo have a badass kit!

Lloyd

well looks like my kit will be in before my days off. So hopefully i will have installed pics later this week!

Well just got my kit.....alot of high quality parts. No instructions, and looks like i am gona have to do something about radiator hoses?

pictures man!

Lloyd

ok let me dig out the camera ;)
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8605/007ejd.jpg

and that is all that you get for 1100 hahaha fml

Looks like a nice kit. I want to see it installed now. :)

hell i wanna see it installed to....then i might know where everything goes haha

good thing i have the next 2 days off :)

you could try pm'ing rotary-works and getting an idea on what goes where. i want this kit, what are you gunna do for radiator hose?

Lloyd

Anyone considering this kit I would highly suggest you wait till i upload pics!

The radiator sits far below even the stock front bumper. I will have to lift the car just to make it out of the garage. On a side not i emailed rotary-works for install info. I have yet to hear back from them. So figured Id give them a call, but was only given another number to someone who didnt know what roatry-works was. Also looks like the kit was made to have the bar that holds the oil cooler cut off. I know this is a BIG NO NO for clubs like SCCA.

So I am now at a stand still trying to figure out how the upper radiator mount goes.

fan?

IMO: Great Price, and good looking kit!

Did you really think it was going to just 'bolt in'?

Whats included from the website:
Custom large Aluminum Radiator 3 rows 4 pass
Large 3.5 inch thick Intercooler
Front stainless steel oil cooler support(works like a front brace)
Front lower Aluminum Radiator support
Rear upper Aluminum Radiator support
Stainless steel brackets and hardware bolts
Series 4&5 aluminum Water neck (didn't see this in your pic)
Aluminum expansion tank
Hoses,Clamps and blow off valve (it does say hoses...?)
High performance Oil Cooler with AN-10 fittings(Optional, not included)

http://www.rotary-works.com/mm5/grap...it-FC-VM-b.jpg

Looks like a nice kit, but I would expect it still requires some 'fitting' modifications or adjustments that you prefer to be changed. Most V mount setups require cutting and welding and fabrication, and this gets you off to a really good start.(need to see it on the car for better idea of fitment tho)

You don't want to know what an Actual V-Mount setup would cost someone to fabricate/build at a performace shop. I'd expect ~$1k just in labor...

You could use wire/hanger and bend it to the shape of hose you need and go in and find a prebent hose at the autoparts store that will work.

my biggest complaint about the kit is the radiator. if you see in the pic the lower left side that is the return for the radiator. it is now the lowest part of my car. it sits close to 2in lower then the bracket right in front of it. I am actually gona have it cut off and welded on the passenger side since there is more then enough room for it there.

would have been nice if they had included the radiator hoses. I found that the lower hose works for the top of the radiator. I also now have to have oil cooler lines made too.

On top of that it doesnt even come with enough couplers. If you are running a stock turbo you will have to buy more pipe and couplers. Luckly I have my FMIC kit to pick from. I am also planning on useing most of the pipeing from my old kit.

I know a few others were working on a vmount kit with target prices of $2000+

This one does not look AC friendly, seems the Rotary Extreme one might come out as more of a bolt on that keeps as close to stock set up as far as PS and AC goes

I mailed Neukin, for more info on their 1200$ Vmount kit, seems like a good kit. Anybody got it?


Custom Neukin Intercooler (garrett bar/plate core)
Double pass massive Neukin radiator
Two 12" electric fans (terminals and wire included)
Brackets and frame work needed to install
Intercooler pipe with bov flange welded
Couplers
Stainless t bolt clamps
Radiator hoses and clamps
Inline coolent fill pipe with cap
Louver for hood
Sparco hood pins w/ latch and hardware for install

That should be it, added a but more description. These are built to order and take at least 4 weeks to get out, getting faster now that we have built a few.

Well i am mostly done with the install. Just have pipeing and routing the coolant lines. Coolant lines wont be done till i get some work done to the radiator.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1950/027xu.jpg
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8258/024n.jpg
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/8193/023i.jpg
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/6320/021ew.jpg
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9126/018ry.jpg
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/2190/012vt.jpg

That radiator sits scary low.


Not trying to threadjack, but wow I'd really like to know more about this. http://www.neukin.com/product_p/neukinmfcvmk.htm

ok, well, looking at the way you installed it, you did it wrong.
freakin rotary-works need to repost the pictures of the fc with the kit and it will show the right way to install it.
1) you dont use the stock elbow, you use the ast
2) you have to cut off the stock pipe in the air dam, thats what the reinforcement bar is for
3) the intercooler has to sit parallel to the ground, not downwards the way you have it
4) because the intercooler is parallel, the radiator will pivot further up, clearing the lower radiator connection at the bottom of the radiator.

thats all i can see with your pictures. please, dont use a fish eye lense, it makes it soooo hard to see details.

Lloyd

haha well with the ast...i am not done yet. I really wish rotary works would do something! How can they think I am gona get this in the right way with NO customer support at all. I think i get what you are saying though. was the in/out for the intercooler towards the front or rear of the car?


I was mostly trying to go off of pic's of jeff jones car since his rx7 is from rotary-works/cxracing
http://www.cxracing.com/pics/RX7-7.jpg

the inlet/outlet sits toward the back of the car. 90 degree elbow, pipe, 90 degree elbow, turbo. the other side is a 90 degree, pipe with the bov, connector, tb. you shuold be using the greddy tb adapter.
thats the best that i can remember based off memory. i pm'd one of the guys whos sponsored by rotary-works, trying to get a response. mind you this weekend is formula-d, so, everyone is really busy.

Lloyd

The bar that the oil cooler sits on is the LEAST of your worries. This kit requires the removal of the front crash bar. THAT is way more crucial, and that bar they give you as a replacement is a joke. Also, why is your fan ON TOP of your rad?? It goes underneath.

eh, you can always have the frontend welded.

Lloyd

well this is where the car sits as of today. This has turned more in to my vmount then how rotary works built it to be. I could have saved alot of money if I had just bought their bracket kit haha
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2048/043nu.jpg

still have to finish up with the coolant lines and do a resivor tank....and alot of ducting

im not impressed by this kit...ill make my own kit.

^ pretty much what I did haha. I think the radiator mounts, the intercooler and the drivers side intercooler pipeing are the only thing i havent had to cut/modify.

Hmmm... Is it installed right? That does look scary low, especially with the neck like that... couldn't it have been on the side of the rad?

https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1270918370

Good luck, that's too bad... It does bolt on, but apparently it does need some revisions to make it 'better'.

how high should the bottom of the rad be from the ground? i need to compare mine to this kit.

oh and to user Twins, they dont include instructions because professional installation is recommended.
The reason they include that long skinny bar is to replace the chunky one the stock oil cooler sits on. You should have just left everything alone until you got help. You would have had a MUCH nicer result that Rotary Works intended you to have.

jagger!

hit me on msn somtime! I got updated pics for yah. my car's done!

that is a terrible vmount outcome BTW. but trust me, still a lot of work to do from here. Make sure to install a cooling panel over the front there. Also, did you move your fan back underneath ur rad, or just remove it all together?

Seeing as you still have the stock AFM, the car won't be making over 300hp anyways, I don't this the money you spent on this kit was worth it. IMO you should have bought a good fmic and a good aftermarket rad, and just gone water injection if you were really that paranoid about your engine.

the neukin kit and a lot of ppl's "vmounts" are not vmounts, they have HMIC. Titanium TT's is the nicest one I've seen for the fc. But basically, the intercooler sits parallel to the ground, and to the flow of air (which is not good, you want it perpendicular for obvious reasons). It still works, and has its own benefits - mainly concerning the rad placement and chassis support.

Vmounts should be done right, or not done at all. The idea of doing it otherwise completely defeats the purpose. I'll post pics of my setup in the next week okay.

I hope you guys know I am far from done working on this. I still have to do all of the ducting and coolant lines. I am pulling the radiator tomorrow and having the lower neck cut off and welded on to the side. the fan will be put on the bottom so it doesnt block the air flow.

As far as the radiator goes. If you look from rotary works pic you can still see the lower neck. Mind you there pic you are actually looking down on the kit. Granted the pics I posted I am looking up at the kit.
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/5723/23909852.jpg

Lets compare where JTP's radiator sits vs rotary works.
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/i...c4c09ab6d5.jpg
vs
http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/7797/017hhb.jpg

Clearly the rotary works brackets make the radiator sit way too low.


Yes my car wont make over 300hp. However I will have shorter pipeing then a fmic. Also having a smaller intercooler is more practical for the fact that I....yes still run a stock turbo. I had a greddy knock off fmic and a corksport radiator. Yes they were both good parts for the price. However now not having warmer air come off the intercooler. This should increase the cooling ablities once everything is finished.

If you wanted response and short piping, you should have kept the stock tmic, or bought the arc replacement ic. Would've saved you a lot of hassle, but on the bright side with this setup, if you do want more power, one part of the car is already ready.

I'm not trying to come off as a dick or anything, but take my criticism for what it is. I'm speaking b/c I've done this, it's not easy, or simple, and there are a ton of little things that IMO, make it NOT worth it.

Keep us updated with your progress, you are doing the community a great favour by researching and evaluating this kit. Ppl can them come here, see what you had to go through, and decide for themselves if this kit is worth the price/hassle/labour invovled.

I still don't like the idea of that front crash bar being removed.

Ya I am with you on the crash bar! I actually had one in the back yard i was gona try and make fit. Turns out someone threw it away. once I get everything sorted out with the vmount my next plan is to make a bar kinda like this.
http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/i...e44f30054b.jpg

After all something is better then nothing.

I hope people see these pics and just wait for one of the other companies who is making a kit. I am actually thinking of scrapping the lower radiator bracket. I wonder what they would think if I shipped them all of the parts I have cut up from this "kit".

Thats a good idea, I was planning on making a crash bar too.
Me and my friend are raising my rad tonight so ill take pics when its complete

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Thats funny, the first one from the batch we test fitted slapped right on without a single mod besides the crash bar, obviously, and fit perfectly...

The car also does have the factory front support while yours looks custom... I'll have to find pics and see if I can post for you guys. I'll be putting mine in soon so maybe I'll do a thread on install or mods needed if any.

as much as I would hate to shell out $2k + for a IC its seems like the rotary extreme is looking better and better as far as being a true kit and being able to keep ac and PS, and it will include duct work

The Rotary Works VMIC kit also is designed to keep PS and AC... but I agree that Rotary Extreme is making quite a kit themselves :icon_tup:

judging by twin's install I cant see how you could possibly fit a PS pump in there

well i am glad the people who made it could figure out how it went together :lol:. If only they could reply to emails.

hmm, i was thinking about getting this kit, but seems to have lots of problems??

do u know if rotary-works are aware of such issues?

edit: if the outlet was welded onto the side, would this be the "biggest" issue solved?

heres some "instructions" aka pics form the rotary-works thread that seems to have gone
u can see the radiator outlet at the bottom, but doesnt look as low as yours

plus in a few pics, the intercooler looks almost flat, and in some others looks as though it ends up on more of a slant?

to me, looks like the only "custom" bracket needed is the one that bolts the intercooler nearer to the bonnet latch

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