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0verb00st 01-09-08 06:08 PM

convertable with a hard top?
 
Has this been done before? Pics?

DragonRx7 01-09-08 06:15 PM

No and no.

0verb00st 01-09-08 06:38 PM

They make them for convertible s2k's. I like the "coup" look of the verts, but dont like verts. They should start making these (carbon fiber or not) http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/w...00hardtop2.jpg

SouthSideSlider 01-09-08 07:36 PM

i was working on a design for one awhile backe until my flashdrive went missing i would need to model the top befoore i got to serious into make in it but it does see there is a market for it.

pingpong 01-09-08 11:20 PM

Technically the vert is half-hard top, right? The front targa portion is treated as a hardtop, no?

George84 01-10-08 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by SouthSideSlider (Post 7720006)
i was working on a design for one awhile backe until my flashdrive went missing i would need to model the top befoore i got to serious into make in it but it does see there is a market for it.

I would buy one, please don't stop working on it.


Originally Posted by pingpong (Post 7720951)
Technically the vert is half-hard top, right? The front targa portion is treated as a hardtop, no?

yes it does have a hard section above the seats

Juiceh 01-10-08 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by DragonRx7
No and no.

Wrong and pics do exist. I've seen it on this forum, but I can't for the life of me find them now. It was a red vert with a red FG top that was molded off the shape of the convertible top.

Mutaku 01-10-08 03:24 PM

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/492613

Could be better designed but there you have it.

Hypertek 01-10-08 04:02 PM

i like the shape of tII verts with the hood and rear spoiler mounted to the back.. if someone could make a really clean lightwieght top that looks like it would have been factory i think it would be nice.. becuase i think with teh top down, the top itself folded just looks funky

phoenix7 01-10-08 06:13 PM

HAHA, are you talking about that one guy that made a half ass hard top a long time ago????? :rlaugh: It was supposed to be a hardtop but really wasn't!

As far as a hard top: why do you even want one??? Just get a coupe if you want a hardtop.

pingpong 01-10-08 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by Mutaku - Rotary Powa! (Post 7723521)
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/492613

Could be better designed but there you have it.

That kind of looks like he just wrapped some sort of vinyl plastic over the existing cloth.

HotRodMex 01-11-08 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by phoenix7 (Post 7724269)
As far as a hard top: why do you even want one??? Just get a coupe if you want a hardtop.

Because it's nice to have the best of both worlds: A hard top in the winter and a convertible in the summer.

Personally, I like the idea of a notchback RX7. I think the profile of a vert with the top up is sexy. Problem is, to do it right you would have to remove the top from it's rail on the bottom to create a smooth transition from hardtop to car body. Though that might not be to bad as a seasonal transformation, it would make casual top switching, like in a miata, an impossibility.

On my list of future possible projects is making a 'vert into a solid steel notchback hardtop.

phoenix7 01-11-08 08:01 PM

lol, put the top up in the winter! The great thing about convertibles is that you LITERALLY CAN HAVE THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS (that's the POINT of a vert). Top down when you want and TOP UP for PROTECTION FROM THE ELEMENTS several CLICKS away.

The Rigidity of the VERT is 2% LESS than a coupe with the top up. If you build a hard top then it better be strong enough to not mess with the stock specs but light enough to at LEAST be considered a weight reduction (you don't want to make the fat vert even heavier do you??)

Seems like a great way to waste good money. An the Winter excuse is kinda lame. How harsh are the San Luis Obispo winters? I doubt they're harsh enough to warrant making a custom hardtop.

0verb00st 01-11-08 11:19 PM

I dont know, I kind of like the coupish look that the verts have but I hate verts so the best of both worlds would be a vert with a hard top.

MidnightOwl 01-12-08 10:27 AM

Staticguitar had/has (I dunno if he still has it) a Targa. It was a coupe with the targa section of the vert molded in. Kind of a vert, but not really. When the vert was working, driving around in the winter wasn't that bad. Heated up pretty quick cuz the cabin was so small.

rotarymike 01-17-08 02:37 PM

um, it's 35 F here now and I still drive my vert with the top down. Heat on, fan on high, feet & face vents... works just fine. The top of my head sometimes gets a bit cool at highway speeds, but that's why god gave me hair. :hahano:

JustJeff 01-17-08 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by phoenix7 (Post 7728683)
lol, put the top up in the winter! The great thing about convertibles is that you LITERALLY CAN HAVE THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS (that's the POINT of a vert). Top down when you want and TOP UP for PROTECTION FROM THE ELEMENTS several CLICKS away.

The Rigidity of the VERT is 2% LESS than a coupe with the top up. If you build a hard top then it better be strong enough to not mess with the stock specs but light enough to at LEAST be considered a weight reduction (you don't want to make the fat vert even heavier do you??)

Seems like a great way to waste good money. An the Winter excuse is kinda lame. How harsh are the San Luis Obispo winters? I doubt they're harsh enough to warrant making a custom hardtop.

Other than trolling up the thread, what difference does it make to you if a vert owner wants to have a hardtop that's removable? Most of us vert owners aren't exactly pinching the grams for the extra performance at the track. Shedding weight off a vert for performance is like eating a whole pizza but drinking diet coke. And why on earth are you concerned with a vert owners finances? If they have the money and the desire, let it be.

phoenix7 01-17-08 03:00 PM

haha, sorry, I forget I deal with some foolish people sometimes. Enjoy!

I love it when ppl say I'M trolling when I post reasonable arguments yet they post nothing of substance. :lol:

JustJeff 01-17-08 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by phoenix7 (Post 7751724)
haha, sorry, I forget I deal with some foolish people sometimes. Enjoy!

I love it when ppl say I'M trolling when I post reasonable arguments yet they post nothing of substance. :lol:

If enough people are saying, it might be true. Regardless, I think everyone on the forums will sleep pretty ok knowing your opinion of them. I however now need therapy to overcome my inferiority and small penis when compared to you.:scared:

phoenix7 01-17-08 03:25 PM

:rlaugh: ok. you feel better?

JustJeff 01-17-08 03:50 PM

No, my shrink whipped his wanker out and proved to me that in fact I am infantile in size.

Point of my original post being, trolling isn't what you say it's how. You're not a troll for letting everyone know the vert is 2% less rigid. You're a troll for using the anonymity of online forums for telling everyone they're stupid while providing that information.

phoenix7 01-17-08 03:57 PM

:rlaugh: I'm not going to apologize for posting facts.


Edit:
look, let's be real, this is one of the dumbest wastes of time and money and I won't hesitate to say so. Come up to me at 7stock and ask me and I will tell you the same thing. If you don't like it then you don't like it. Period.

If you really have a problem with my "trolling" as you just claimed, then please do me the favor of putting me on your ignore list.

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=720498

If you want to go to a forum where everyone will stroke your ego by lying and saying: "OMGWTFBBQ! that's the coolest mod I've ever seen!! We should make a million of them because they're so UBER COOL!!" then you should leave the RX7club. We don't take kindly to your kind round these here parts.

JustJeff 01-17-08 04:13 PM

I actually like being dominated and you are definitely stroking something of mine.

Dumb isn't spending money how you please, dumb is well....we'll wait for your next post.

Oh yeah, I wasn't asking for an apology. I was speaking more to the other people who read the thread than you. Speaking to them, thru you..if you will. I'm not foolish enough to think I'm gonna convince you of anything

RoninRX7 01-17-08 07:35 PM

id pay easily a thousand dollars for an S2K look alike hard top that was removable. The reason being when the snow falls you really dont want it to freeze on the vert top. it makes it really brittle and wears it out faster. Im looking into having one made, prolly out of FG, but i really want a CF one. Ill see how it goes, but mine wont look anything like the one from cardomain. I was thinking of making it flow smoothly back and not have the braces visible like the stock soft top does.

JustJeff 01-18-08 01:03 AM


Originally Posted by RoninRX7 (Post 7752873)
id pay easily a thousand dollars for an S2K look alike hard top that was removable. The reason being when the snow falls you really dont want it to freeze on the vert top. it makes it really brittle and wears it out faster. Im looking into having one made, prolly out of FG, but i really want a CF one. Ill see how it goes, but mine wont look anything like the one from cardomain. I was thinking of making it flow smoothly back and not have the braces visible like the stock soft top does.

Yeah my top is starting to split and tear and I'm looking at $1k or so to have a custom one made that would match the OEM grain. I'd be interested in seeing how a hardtop turned out so I'd know what other options I'd have. If a hardtop could be made that didn't drip at the door window seals right by the windshield molding I would definitely be interested.

HotRodMex 01-18-08 09:57 PM


Originally Posted by phoenix7 (Post 7728683)
lol, put the top up in the winter! The great thing about convertibles is that you LITERALLY CAN HAVE THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS (that's the POINT of a vert). Top down when you want and TOP UP for PROTECTION FROM THE ELEMENTS several CLICKS away.

I'm gonna guess you haven't driven in a convertible model anything with its accompanying hardtop. It can make the driving experience a little more pleasant given lower road noise. Before you shoot back with "well then why did you buy a convertible?" I should tell you that if Mazda made the FC with a removable hardtop, or a in a hard-top convertible form, then I would own one. They didn't, I would like it, that's it.


Originally Posted by phoenix7 (Post 7728683)
The Rigidity of the VERT is 2% LESS than a coupe with the top up. If you build a hard top then it better be strong enough to not mess with the stock specs but light enough to at LEAST be considered a weight reduction (you don't want to make the fat vert even heavier do you??)

Any top worth its salt better be stronger than a sheet of fiberglass attached by two clips to an erector set. And as far as weight, who gives a damn? If I wanted a sleek lightweight I'd own a Miata (oh wait, I do). I bought the Vert as a comfortable Sunday driver, so if the top added 200lbs but made long drives nicer, then I'd see it as a plus.


Originally Posted by phoenix7 (Post 7728683)
Seems like a great way to waste good money. An the Winter excuse is kinda lame. How harsh are the San Luis Obispo winters? I doubt they're harsh enough to warrant making a custom hardtop.

It was 25 deg here last winter (I lived in Los Osos, a small town outside of San Luis). It iced heavily. To which I agree with Ronin...


Originally Posted by RoninRX7 (Post 7752873)
...The reason being when the snow falls you really dont want it to freeze on the vert top. it makes it really brittle and wears it out faster.

I believe these are good reasons. I can see how you would say "I don't see the point," but that doesn't make us stupid because you can't understand our reasoning.

RoninRX7 01-19-08 04:08 AM

^damn straight^

The only hard part about making a hard top is where to connect to. I want mine to go over the factory top when its down. Im not going to remove the factory cloth one. So it looks like its gonna have to attach by the seat belt mounts i guess???

Bama420 01-23-08 12:57 AM

Why doesn't someone make a Miata top replica to fit on the FC with the same style latches in the back and clips on the front? Make one just like the Miata's hard top only sized for the FC?

JustJeff 01-23-08 01:26 AM


Originally Posted by Bama420 (Post 7772965)
Why doesn't someone make a Miata top replica to fit on the FC with the same style latches in the back and clips on the front? Make one just like the Miata's hard top only sized for the FC?

There simply may not be enough interest for someone in that business to make one. There costs would probably exceed what they'd make off it.

SouthSideSlider 01-23-08 12:43 PM

first i need to find a good scale modle of a FC Vert so i can start work on a scale modle of who the Roof would look anyone know of any good modles if so send me a link please.

JustJeff 01-23-08 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by SouthSideSlider (Post 7774558)
first i need to find a good scale modle of a FC Vert so i can start work on a scale modle of who the Roof would look anyone know of any good modles if so send me a link please.

I could let you use my vert as a guinea pig if I could get the hardtop when you were done :P

teddyrx2 05-15-08 12:14 PM

so is this going to happen or what? I got a vert looking for a hard top...

87 t-66 05-15-08 12:23 PM

i'd love a carbon top for my 'vert!

Juiceh 05-15-08 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by 87 t-66
i'd love a carbon top for my 'vert!

+1

George84 05-15-08 07:05 PM

I don't think it will ever happen... wish it would though.

hurleysurf24 05-15-08 07:47 PM

how much are you willing to spend ... it can definately be done for aroudn 2000

88RXVERT 05-15-08 07:49 PM

Hands down, I will buy one. $1500-$2000... consider it sold. Make it happen.

MidnightOwl 05-15-08 09:08 PM

I don't really see the draw with the removable hard top.

skatingsamurai 05-15-08 09:40 PM

call me in with a hard top if you can keep it under 1000 bucks. i have been wait to get a new top but, i hate how they leak. and i LOVE the coupe look. please make one someone.

HotRodMex 05-16-08 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by MidnightOwl (Post 8195845)
I don't really see the draw with the removable hard top.

Did you actually read the thread? I made the case clearly.

Conspiracy Theorist 05-16-08 08:53 PM

I want one and don't care if it weighs 200 lbs either

Conspiracy Theorist 05-16-08 08:54 PM

might pay $2000 if it was decent quality

puhpaper 05-16-08 09:09 PM

top always down.

that's how you do it in the vert owners club.

SouthSideSlider 05-16-08 09:35 PM

a carbon fiber roof would be more expensive but it could be done first im going to look for a Vert shell and make a hardtop out of steel then make molds when i do this i'll also mbe working on a odura style S4 lip but firdst i have to get a vert shell. and money is too tight right now. the shape would be realy simple basuicly around the same as the soft top but smoother.

Dillon 05-16-08 10:33 PM


Originally Posted by HotRodMex (Post 7757537)
It was 25 deg here last winter (I lived in Los Osos, a small town outside of San Luis).

WoW how'd you survive!!! It was like - 60 here.

SouthSideSlider 05-17-08 02:12 AM

heres some quick photoshoped pics of what it might look like.i hope to get all the measurment i need soon as well as contures so i can make a realy nice top.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f2...dtopdesign.png
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f2...designcopy.png

the plan would to have the top have a intigrated steel rollbar for added protection but it could be biult without it what do you guys think? also im think a realy simple sunroof could be added just a plexy sheet with a hing and a small popup peice so you can let the car vent heat or whatever. if i had all the info i need i would be biulding a prototype as we speek(yes at 3:10 AM)once i get materials and info i will start a thread on thje biulding of the prototype.

(please donot delete stuff about this if the prototype turns out to have resonable demand RX7club wil get its cut or whatever it is you guys do.)

skatingsamurai 05-17-08 08:40 AM

which is fucking ghey

HotRodMex 05-17-08 09:54 PM


Originally Posted by dillon (Post 8199299)
WoW how'd you survive!!! It was like - 60 here.

Something tells me if you'd understand relativity if you had to come and spend a 100 degree summer here.

Juiceh 05-17-08 10:03 PM


Originally Posted by SouthSideSlider
the plan would to have the top have a intigrated steel rollbar for added protection but it could be biult without it what do you guys think?

I think you would be better off doing it without the integrated steel roll bar. How would the integrated steel roll bar even attach to the rest of the car in a way that it would become a structural piece that could provide rollover protection? It would probably just be much better to make the top without the steel integrated and have the buyer get their own cage put in instead, probably would be much easier to do as well.


Also, if you do go about making a prototype or even finished products, please put in a rear window that is much larger than the stock vert rear window. One that sorta wraps around the rear corners would be sweet.

Dillon 05-17-08 11:35 PM


Originally Posted by HotRodMex (Post 8201455)
Something tells me if you'd understand relativity if you had to come and spend a 100 degree summer here.

Summer still gets over a 100 here too.


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