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Chriz88DX 08-04-09 02:17 AM

626 klze vs 13b
 
ok their is this local guy that has a 626 with a klze JDM swap i/h/e and he kils 350z's and ser sentra's and alot of cars you would not expect.

I love to see another mazda whooping up some ass

he has recently called me out and i have no problem with running him just wanted to know what ya think about it

my 7 is a 87 s4 na with head,intake. ported manifold,tbmod, msd 6al,88 GTU 4.30 diff, short shifter, solid motor mounts, tanabe springs kyb agx shocks

let me know what you think

bjbubble 08-04-09 02:36 AM


Originally Posted by Chriz88DX (Post 9402029)
my 7 is a 87 s4 na with head,intake. ported manifold,tbmod, msd 6al,88 GTU 4.30 diff, short shifter, solid motor mounts, tanabe springs kyb agx shocks

:scratch:

Jo.M 08-04-09 02:44 AM

lol i think he ment headers

EvilWankel 08-04-09 03:06 AM

I think it would be pretty hard if your not internally ported, but give him hell!

need RX7 08-04-09 03:31 AM

Probably not.

R.O.D 08-04-09 04:25 AM

shit, as long as u guys arent racing for money, do it. just dont be dumb and brake something
me and my friends race all the time just for kicks

mazdaverx713b 08-04-09 05:22 AM

short answer, you'll lose to the626 if he's killing 350Z's. nowhere near a technical question. moved to the non tech section.

RRTEC 08-04-09 07:32 AM

This question made me :(

I didn't know the 88 GTU came with a 4.30.... I thought the GTUs was the only one......

Rob XX 7 08-04-09 08:03 AM

you will probably lose

Twins80s 08-04-09 08:26 AM

+1 on loseing

A klze comes with 200hp stock and they dont to bad with bolt ons.

Granted running a rx7 turbo wouldnt be a fair race for him lol

Squeeb 08-04-09 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by Jo.M (Post 9402046)
lol i think he ment headers

I think he meant header, not headers :gwink:

Chriz88DX 08-04-09 02:15 PM

sorry guys i meant header

I just found out that the 626 makes 158 hp and 143tq on a dyno pack which lowers the ratings more:dunno: or so he says

I did not know that the klze motor was that big of a deal

I am pretty sure the gtu comes with a 4.30 diff or atleast mine did know i just hate geting on the high way 4.30 diff =4k in 5th just to do 60

onionsncream 08-04-09 04:39 PM

Make sure to video tape this, I'm curious

AGreen 08-04-09 07:28 PM

The 2.5 L (2497 cc) KL family uses an 84.5 mm bore and 74.2 mm stroke. It includes the Japan-only KL-ZE, which produced 199 hp (149 kW) and 165 ft·lbf (224 Nm). Another variant, the KL-DE (also known as the KL-03 outside the USA, and fitted to 2.5 litre Ford Probes) was the worldwide version, with 164-170 hp in various applications.

Mazda introduced a key technology with these engines, known as the Variable Resonance Induction System (VRIS). A series of two butterfly valves coupled with electronically controlled actuators varied the volume and length of a resonant chamber attached to the intake manifold, producing 4 resonant frequencies. The valves actuate at particular engine frequencies (i.e. RPMs) to produce optimal torque/horsepower output at any given engine speed.

Applications:

KL-DE
1993-1997 Mazda MX-6 GT (E and J spec)
1993-1997 Mazda MX-6 LS (A spec)
1993-1997 Ford Probe GT
1992-1995 Ford Telstar TX5 Ghia, TX5 Ghia 4ws
1993-2002 Mazda 626 ES, LX (after 1994)
1995-2002 Mazda Millenia L
KL-ZE
1997 Mazda Capella Wagon
1993+ Mazda MX-6 Jspec
1993+ Mazda MS-8 (Japan)
1993+ Mazda Eunos 600/800 (Japan)


Sorry, the 626 is probably lighter, and rotary doesn't have enough torque. Now, if it was a power-per-liter race, then you'd win, but those races only win in trash talk to Hondafags.

On that note, why pay to import a jspec engine when the contour svt has a 2.5liter duratec (not sure if it's going to fit though) that makes 1 more hp and 4 more lb-ft of torque, and is probably a hell of a lot easier to find....

HotRodMex 08-04-09 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by AGreen (Post 9403722)
On that note, why pay to import a jspec engine when the contour svt has a 2.5liter duratec (not sure if it's going to fit though) that makes 1 more hp and 4 more lb-ft of torque, and is probably a hell of a lot easier to find....

IIRC, the trans is different (if not more things with the block). The Contour is based on the Mondeo, which has a very different front end than the 626. Also, I think they are actually more rare than the KLZE, which I believe was the main motor in Japan in the 626. I didn't pay much attention to the late model guys when I was heavy into my 89 MX6.

beefhole 08-04-09 08:33 PM

As gay as I figured this thread would be, it's pretty interesting. Not bad Mazda!

Chriz88DX 08-05-09 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by AGreen (Post 9403722)
The 2.5 L (2497 cc) KL family uses an 84.5 mm bore and 74.2 mm stroke. It includes the Japan-only KL-ZE, which produced 199 hp (149 kW) and 165 ft·lbf (224 Nm). Another variant, the KL-DE (also known as the KL-03 outside the USA, and fitted to 2.5 litre Ford Probes) was the worldwide version, with 164-170 hp in various applications.

Mazda introduced a key technology with these engines, known as the Variable Resonance Induction System (VRIS). A series of two butterfly valves coupled with electronically controlled actuators varied the volume and length of a resonant chamber attached to the intake manifold, producing 4 resonant frequencies. The valves actuate at particular engine frequencies (i.e. RPMs) to produce optimal torque/horsepower output at any given engine speed.



so it basicly has some thing like the 6 port system on a na 13b?:scratch:

HotRodMex 08-05-09 11:18 PM


Originally Posted by Chriz88DX (Post 9404775)
so it basicly has some thing like the 6 port system on a na 13b?:scratch:

Think more the VDI; it's all in the intake manifold.

Chriz88DX 08-08-09 02:56 PM

ok the results are in our camera man for the night bailed out (he said i was to far :dunno:)

but any way we did a 30 roll me in 2nd him in 2nd. I jump he pulled me bad by 60 he was up by 2 cars

second round form a 55ish roll 6k in third he was in third. i got a good jump and hold till around 85 ish the he came back


so he got me but it was just for fun and if you think the 13b can rev high it sounded like he was tring to break the damn thing he said on the second run he hit 7800 rpm.


oh well back to the drawing board

onionsncream 08-10-09 01:36 AM

Well i still want to see the 626, any pics?

KhanArtisT 08-10-09 02:16 AM


Originally Posted by Chriz88DX (Post 9412829)
oh well back to the drawing board

Boost? :)

rksti89 08-10-09 04:41 AM


Originally Posted by Chriz88DX (Post 9412829)
ok the results are in our camera man for the night bailed out (he said i was to far :dunno:)

but any way we did a 30 roll me in 2nd him in 2nd. I jump he pulled me bad by 60 he was up by 2 cars

second round form a 55ish roll 6k in third he was in third. i got a good jump and hold till around 85 ish the he came back


so he got me but it was just for fun and if you think the 13b can rev high it sounded like he was tring to break the damn thing he said on the second run he hit 7800 rpm.


oh well back to the drawing board

quick question...what size rims and tires are you running?

Chriz88DX 08-13-09 01:56 AM


Originally Posted by KhanArtisT (Post 9415544)
Boost? :)



lol sorry but no boost for me i am too poor lol

Chriz88DX 08-13-09 02:03 AM


Originally Posted by rksti89 (Post 9415632)
quick question...what size rims and tires are you running?



i am running 17x 8 wheels (=40 with 10mm spacer up front, =40 with 25 mm spacer on rear) with 245 40 17 all around ( heavy i know) tanabe gf210 with kyb agx's, with a knight sports camber arm and suspension techniques sway bars front and rear. alingment is factory except for the rear camber which is a total 1.2 degrees

engine mods are basic for an na

digitalsolo 08-13-09 10:05 AM

Hey my N/A 86 Base killed a few Corvette Z06s with just heads... and cam.

Wait, what? :D

Just run the car and find out. Don't be too proud to lose. ;)


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