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JerryLH3 01-13-16 07:29 AM

Let's generally discuss FCs
 
As the topic says, please discuss. Generally.

clokker 01-13-16 08:08 AM

Julius Caesar, George Patton and Napoleon Bonaparte all walk into a bar...

General enough for you?

MickeytFC 01-13-16 05:11 PM

FCs are cool

clokker 01-13-16 06:02 PM

That might be a bit too specific, try "Rotaries are cool" or even better, "Cars are cool".
We should try not to be exclusionary.

Rot005 01-13-16 06:29 PM

FC's are cool? Convertibles are even better with turbos!

JerryLH3 01-13-16 07:01 PM

I can certainly imagine that convertibles are better with turbos than without.

lastphaseofthis 01-13-16 07:09 PM

what about a convertible 6 speed twin sequential turbo.

i have the 6 speed vert. i have the seq twins on my 10th ae. but swapping the setup over would be.. daunting.

Rob XX 7 01-13-16 08:02 PM

Generally if you own an FC long enough you take it apart alot, it tends to sit for a long time


Sometimes you forget you own the car




Generally speaking that is

JerryLH3 01-13-16 09:43 PM


Originally Posted by Rob XX 7 (Post 12014778)
, it tends to sit for a long time


This x 1000. My car is better than my avatar pic, but not by much. I'm still crawling towards a late winter/early spring paint job.

Gregory Casimir 01-13-16 10:37 PM


Originally Posted by Rob XX 7 (Post 12014778)
Generally if you own an FC long enough you take it apart alot, it tends to sit for a long time


Sometimes you forget you own the car




Generally speaking that is

yeah that sounds like every "General" FC owner about now.

misterstyx69 01-14-16 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JerryLH3 (Post 12014512)
As the topic says, please discuss. Generally.

..Ok.Generally was an OK car...although I though the guys were a little limp wristed.
.Daisy was a Hot Chick..(back then......even now,I'd still boink her!)

Rot005 01-14-16 12:27 PM

Fc's
 

Originally Posted by Rot005 (Post 12014753)
FC's are cool? Convertibles are even better with turbos!

Wondering, does anyone have encountered problems with water behind seats with factory tops in convertible?

JerryLH3 01-14-16 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by misterstyx69 (Post 12014861)
..Ok.Generally was an OK car...although I though the guys were a little limp wristed.
.Daisy was a Hot Chick..(back then......even now,I'd still boink her!)

:lol:

Rob XX 7 01-14-16 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by Rot005 (Post 12015021)
Wondering, does anyone have encountered problems with water behind seats with factory tops in convertible?

the water is an OEM part of the car

Rot005 01-14-16 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by Rob XX 7 (Post 12015099)
the water is an OEM part of the car

Thanks man, didn't think about that, if by any chance you know the part number, let me know I need it!

JerryLH3 01-14-16 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by Rot005 (Post 12015109)
Thanks man, didn't think about that, if by any chance you know the part number, let me know I need it!

I believe it is FC01-H20. Hopefully it doesn't come up NLA.

clokker 01-15-16 12:05 AM


Originally Posted by JerryLH3 (Post 12015277)
I believe it is FC01-H20. Hopefully it doesn't come up NLA.

I understand there's a company in Flint, MI selling inexpensive aftermarket water if your Mazda dealer can't deliver.

lduley 01-15-16 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by clokker
I understand there's a company in Flint, MI selling inexpensive aftermarket water if your Mazda dealer can't deliver.

Ya, and if you buy enough mass quantities, you can filter the lead out and make your money back!

Rot005 01-15-16 06:58 AM

Fc's
 

Originally Posted by clokker (Post 12015321)
I understand there's a company in Flint, MI selling inexpensive aftermarket water if your Mazda dealer can't deliver.

I believe that company went out of business and mazda discontinued the part, generally discussing FC's I like it! Honestly have a 91 vert with original top excellent condition, drain guards in place no tears or rips but when rains water gets behind both floor seats, any inputs would be appreciated! Thanks

clokker 01-15-16 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by Rot005 (Post 12015373)
... but when rains water gets behind both floor seats, any inputs would be appreciated! Thanks

I spent a good portion of last year trying to weatherproof my Z...it can be quite frustrating.
I do not have a vert but given your description, the likely troublespot would be the b-pillar area, where the door, rear quarterpanel and roof meet.
I'd strip out the interior, get inside and have your assistant spray the car with a hose.

Despite my "likely" guess, resist the temptation to focus too closely on where the water comes out. The trick is finding where it comes in.
In my case, the well behind the seats was filling with puddles but the actual ingress point was the top front edge of the door. Water flowed down the front of the door to the rocker, followed the doorseal/rocker trim plate past the seat and finally emerged at the back of the door.
Once I'd formulated a theory, I tested by cramming closed cell foam into different parts of the door>fender joint and hosing down until I found exactly where the problem was.

Turned out to be a rubber flap-type thing that appeared fine but was not pliant/springy enough to seal...of course, it is totally invisible when the door is closed and the fault wasn't obvious.

tl:dr is:
Strip interior and spray
Just because a seal looks good, don't assume it works

RotaryEvolution 01-15-16 08:56 AM

i don't get why people like verts, they leak water, they are noisy, they don't look exceptionally well with the top up, they're heavy, they don't handle exceptionally well, they're more of a pain in the ass than a coupe in parts, the top lasts only a few years in the elements and if you roll one you can kiss your ass goodbye.


but i guess nothing beats having your hair flap in your face while some chick is looking at your 80's rockstar hair and wondering who your stylist is.

clokker 01-15-16 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by RotaryEvolution (Post 12015423)
i don't get why people like verts...i guess nothing beats having your hair flap in your face while some chick is looking at your 80's rockstar hair and wondering who your stylist is.

Your tone implies you don't think that's a valid reason.

Hater.

RotaryEvolution 01-15-16 09:32 AM

i'd get blinded by a hair stabbing my eye, flip the car and land on a litter of kittens, killing all of us.

RotaryEvolution 01-15-16 09:42 AM

double

Molotovman 01-15-16 09:53 AM

Generally; I think the GTUs is the best(USDM) chassis and a TII drive-train swap does it justice(similar to an Infini). I've owned every model except for a "sport", the vert ranks the lowest on my list and T-II's are too soft.

Rot005 01-15-16 10:33 AM

:nod:

Originally Posted by clokker (Post 12015412)
I spent a good portion of last year trying to weatherproof my Z...it can be quite frustrating.
I do not have a vert but given your description, the likely troublespot would be the b-pillar area, where the door, rear quarterpanel and roof meet.
I'd strip out the interior, get inside and have your assistant spray the car with a hose.

Despite my "likely" guess, resist the temptation to focus too closely on where the water comes out. The trick is finding where it comes in.
In my case, the well behind the seats was filling with puddles but the actual ingress point was the top front edge of the door. Water flowed down the front of the door to the rocker, followed the doorseal/rocker trim plate past the seat and finally emerged at the back of the door.
Once I'd formulated a theory, I tested by cramming closed cell foam into different parts of the door>fender joint and hosing down until I found exactly where the problem was.

Turned out to be a rubber flap-type thing that appeared fine but was not pliant/springy enough to seal...of course, it is totally invisible when the door is closed and the fault wasn't obvious.

tl:dr is:thanks for the input ill look into it keep you posted thanks!
Strip interior and spray
Just because a seal looks good, don't assume it works


Rot005 01-15-16 10:40 AM

I did strip the interior and checked every section on both areas couldn't find any wrong, my guess is the top itself due to the fact that is on both sides same area, may be the drain pockets or guard channel, ill keep digging thanks for the input is appreciated keep you posted thanks!

Rot005 01-15-16 10:47 AM


Originally Posted by RotaryEvolution (Post 12015423)
i don't get why people like verts, they leak water, they are noisy, they don't look exceptionally well with the top up, they're heavy, they don't handle exceptionally well, they're more of a pain in the ass than a coupe in parts, the top lasts only a few years in the elements and if you roll one you can kiss your ass goodbye.


but i guess nothing beats having your hair flap in your face while some chick is looking at your 80's rockstar hair and wondering who your stylist is.

I'm bald bud! But, I love my turbo vert!

RXSpeed16 01-15-16 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by Molotovman (Post 12015435)
Generally; I think the GTUs is the best(USDM) chassis and a TII drive-train swap does it justice(similar to an Infini)....T-II's are too soft.

So...power windows and a boost gauge instead of a voltmeter make the car too soft?

Rot005 01-15-16 11:14 AM

I don't hear any noise while driving my 91, it looks good, I like it heavy better stability on the road, for the handling I have a complete suspension system set up, the top is the original 25 yrs old and yes it leaks but is gonna get fix, and in case of rolling over, thats why I go the track to cure myself in my 3/4 chassis starlet at 7.03 secs 1\4 mile, with a 13b 80cc cosmo engine! Hope after this you can change your mine about how people like RX7 convertibles.Thanks!

JerryLH3 01-15-16 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by RXSpeed16 (Post 12015456)
So...power windows and a boost gauge instead of a voltmeter make the car too soft?

ABS, sunroof, etc. I partly see the argument, but a turbo swapped GTUs is so close to an actual TII, the difference has to be minuscule. More headroom, though.

Molotovman 01-15-16 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by RXSpeed16 (Post 12015456)
So...power windows and a boost gauge instead of a voltmeter make the car too soft?


Originally Posted by JerryLH3 (Post 12015498)
ABS, sunroof, etc. I partly see the argument, but a turbo swapped GTUs is so close to an actual TII, the difference has to be minuscule. More headroom, though.

All of the above in addition to leather, the fancier door panels, more radio equipment, a steel jack, fog lights, soft touch glove box, etc.

DC5Daniel 01-15-16 01:50 PM

I, generally, agree with Ben. I dislike Verts, especially everyones need to TII swap them.

Perhaps the only thing that erks me more is the "can I turbo swap my NA? I don't want to sell it and buy a real TII". Generally speaking of course.

Rob XX 7 01-15-16 08:13 PM

Jeez this turn into some kind of vert haters club?


When i left my car outside what i found was if i were to close the drivers door with the window down a little then from the passenger side roll the driver window back up. This would allow it to seal better, almost where it didnt leak. I tried adjusting the window 3-4 times but just couldnt get it to sit like it would if you rolled it up with the door closed. When you have to scrape ice from INSIDE the windows thats when you know its time to stop driving it in the winter lol

If your car leaks worse on the passenger side well you get the idea

If both sides leak try to keep the car under a car cover

Either way pop the plugs out the floor under the carpet so you dont get too much of a puddle in there.


After years of water dripping the floor was amazingly clear of any rust. A small dehumidifer left running inside the car keeps it from getting stinky

LargeOrangeFont 01-15-16 08:39 PM

My coupe is sealed so tight it is hard to close the doors with the windows up.

I have the HVAC deleted and and sealed the hole in the cowl.


Generally I like FCs with V8s :)

lastphaseofthis 01-16-16 05:26 AM

bah you vert haters have to drive one .. daily.. forever.... then you'd still hate it

for me its like being on my bike, i can see in all directions of traffic and can work on my tan at the same time.
ben what you mean they handle worse then coupes?? you're crazy! yeah they're heavier but that weight bring the center of gravity down several inches. i think the vert handles better!
i've had my fare share. however i dont live close to any real tracks so ... what do i know.

RotaryEvolution 01-16-16 08:34 AM

if you do work to make the chassis more rigid yeah they can be equal, but stock out of the box i can feel the frame flex when sidestepping into driveways. my coupe with just a couple basic strut bars will teeter wheels in the same situation.

misterstyx69 01-16-16 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by RotaryEvolution (Post 12015430)
i'd get blinded by a hair stabbing my eye, flip the car and land on a litter of kittens, killing all of us.

Still the only member on here that would turn a Discussion about Cars into going out and Killin some pussy..lol!

You really gotta go out and get some..lol!..

Mmmm..bumpy T-shirt....

j9fd3s 01-16-16 01:58 PM

in general the FC is nice

clokker 01-16-16 02:16 PM

I like that they have four wheels.

diabolical1 01-16-16 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by misterstyx69 (Post 12015830)
Still the only member on here that would turn a Discussion about Cars into going out and Killin some pussy..lol!

:lol: drop the mic. cue the credits. close the thread.

clokker 01-16-16 03:46 PM

Don't encourage him.

Rot005 01-16-16 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by Rob XX 7 (Post 12015688)
Jeez this turn into some kind of vert haters club?


When i left my car outside what i found was if i were to close the drivers door with the window down a little then from the passenger side roll the driver window back up. This would allow it to seal better, almost where it didnt leak. I tried adjusting the window 3-4 times but just couldnt get it to sit like it would if you rolled it up with the door closed. When you have to scrape ice from INSIDE the windows thats when you know its time to stop driving it in the winter lol

If your car leaks worse on the passenger side well you get the idea

If both sides leak try to keep the car under a car cover

Either way pop the plugs out the floor under the carpet so you dont get too much of a puddle in there.


After years of water dripping the floor was amazingly clear of any rust.
A small dehumidifer left running inside the car keeps it from getting stinky

Thanks for the tips I'll use them as last resource. I think there's a rip or tear somewhere i'm missing!

Rot005 01-16-16 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by RotaryEvolution (Post 12015813)
if you do work to make the chassis more rigid yeah they can be equal, but stock out of the box i can feel the frame flex when sidestepping into driveways. my coupe with just a couple basic strut bars will teeter wheels in the same situation.

My 91 handles stability real nice, have racing beat sway bars front and rear, eiback coils, staggs shocks toe eliminator ect...with just some moderate mods not going overboard, the lady handles real good. And believe me I punish that 13b hard you can hear the wastegate screaming, and the lady handles like a champ! So please don't be a hater!!! Joe

Rob XX 7 01-16-16 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by RotaryEvolution (Post 12015813)
if you do work to make the chassis more rigid yeah they can be equal, but stock out of the box i can feel the frame flex when sidestepping into driveways. my coupe with just a couple basic strut bars will teeter wheels in the same situation.

Brah......lol common

All the useless shit people post here and not one dude ever posted a picture of his super stiff car tetering the wheels off the ground

Yes a vert flexes to the point it NEEDS a soft roof, shit my windshield has popped out a few times backing out of the driveway lol



Lol, sell that crap elsewhere

Rot005 01-16-16 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by RotaryEvolution (Post 12015813)
if you do work to make the chassis more rigid yeah they can be equal, but stock out of the box i can feel the frame flex when sidestepping into driveways. my coupe with just a couple basic strut bars will teeter wheels in the same situation.

Wondering, how you make the chassis more rigid? By adding chrome moly? Please let me know how can both series be equal! Remember adding steel defeats the purpose of stock chassis. Would like to know!

Rot005 01-16-16 07:31 PM

Remember guys, we are just generally discussing FD's!

Rot005 01-16-16 07:33 PM

Sorry! Meant FC's!

j9fd3s 01-16-16 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by Rot005 (Post 12016034)
Sorry! Meant FC's!

generally yes. the Major Discussion is another thread...

Flash 01-16-16 08:02 PM

Yeah, I didn't have to turbo my vert because it came that way from Japan. The world is bigger than North America, generally speaking.


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