Xcessive Manufacturing 20B Lower Intake Manifold (LIM)
 

Just thought I'd share what Xcessive has been working on as of late.

Full length version:

Quote from Xcessive's website:

Xcessive's all new cast lower intake manifold for the 20B is based on the same concept as our original 13B-REW manifold, better runner flow balance, more volume and more fuel. We've made these manifolds with 6 injector bosses machined to fit Bosch type top feed injectors with 14mm o-rings without any adapters. We've placed all the injectors on the inside of the manifold to keep them away from heat leaving more room on the outside for turbo motors as well as a cleaner install.

The new lower manifold fits stock upper castings and comes in both a full height (stock) and short versions. This is the FULL HEIGHT (stock) version. They are also available with and without fuel rails. This manifold kit includes the fuel rail assembly. The fuel rail has 3/8" NPT ports on both ends with a -8 (1/2", 13mm) through hole and comes with the apropriate stand off's for full height top feed injectors. No more welding bosses onto a stock manifold and chopping and welding the upper flange, we've done it all for you in a single brand new piece that'll also out flow a stock manifold.

This Kit Includes

New cast manifold - Full height (stock) version

6 port fuel rail for top feed injectors

Rail stand off brackets and bolting hardware

Front mounting bolt (New boss height)

it is currently available for purchase, but I'm not a vendor, so I thought "d just share the information that it has been built

There is also a short version for easier swapping into non JC cosmo chassis'

Short version:

Quote from Xcessive's website:

Xcessive's all new cast lower intake manifold for the 20B is based on the same concept as our original 13B-REW manifold, better runner flow balance, more volume and more fuel. We've made these manifolds with 6 injector bosses machined to fit Bosch type top feed injectors with 14mm o-rings without any adapters. We've placed all the injectors on the inside of the manifold to keep them away from heat leaving more room on the outside for turbo motors as well as a cleaner install.

The new lower manifold fits stock upper castings and comes in both a full height (stock) and short versions. This is the short version that is 1 1/2" (38mm) shorter than stock. They are also available with and without fuel rails. This manifold kit includes the fuel rail assembly. The fuel rail has 3/8" NPT ports on both ends with a -8 (1/2", 13mm) through hole and comes with the apropriate stand off's for full height top feed injectors. No more welding bosses onto a stock manifold and chopping and welding the upper flange, we've done it all for you in a single brand new piece that'll also out flow a stock manifold.

This Kit Includes

New cast manifold - Shortened version

6 port fuel rail for top feed injectors

Rail stand off brackets and bolting hardware

Front mounting bolt (New boss height)


Again; I'm not a vendor, just sharing the good news.

Additional pictures of the short version Lower Intake Manifold (LIM)
 

Here you go!

Amazing.... I was wondering when an Xcessive LIM would come to the 20B (not like i have one though)

Giggity!!!

now if we can get them to just make a manifold that bolts to the stock upper intake manifold like this, but allows for semi peripheral ports. Although this makes using additional inejctors much easier. or just delete the primary rail and just use one fuel rail. good price too at just over a grand.

Herblenny has had one on his 20b for months now

Herblenny is special, and received a sponsorship. This is the first chance that the rest of us have been able to purchase them. ;)

I wonder why they used the FD intake runner height at the engine mating flange? The 20b has about 1/2" taller opeing., you can see it in their comparison pic.

https://www.rx7club.com/attachments/...b-lim-fhk4-jpg

Banzai - I think it may have been for hood clearance, if you are using the stock subframe you run into issues with the hood resting on the UIM and you either have to lower the engine or shorten the LIM.

Blackadde/// - you are so correct :D

Hood clearance has nothing to do with the size of the intake port on the side of the engine at the bottom of the intake manifold. Compare an FD LIM gasket to a 20B and you see what I am talking about.

oh my bad i miss read what your post was asking, i thought you were talking about the height of the LIM itself

Here is a pic

https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1347631601

can I skip the primary rail to simplify fuel system? (or do I need to buy 3 more injectors?)

btw, that flange surface looks pretty rough. how's the finish for those who already has this manifold?

Looks like you have to port down to full 20b spec on the xcessive manifold no?

Look like a bit of porting will do. But its nice that they sure used there head,went ahead and made the lower intake option... Relay nice

Definitely a legit piece :icon_tup:

Interesting on the runner height, sharp eyes from Banzai. Wonder why they did that? Would rather not have to open all those up with the carbide bit in the event I wanted to use one of these.....

I asked them about the runner height and they said that was from the initial test manifold. They said its been corrected in the production run.

thewird

I asked them a well, here is the response:

The manifolds in the pictures were our first articles that we now use around the shop as mock up, we have corrected the port shape. We didn't go with the more involved shell core tooling for the runners that we use on our 13B manifold on the 20B, it was getting expensive enough. The no bake type cores we use on the 20B do come out good, but great would have been a large step up in cost. I always recommend customers check the port match if they're looking for maximum power and benefit. If port matching/clean up isn't something you're set up to do, we can do it for you. We feel it can get bit tricky if we gasket match the ports here and your ports are different though. I have no doubt our manifolds straight off the shelf will be of benefit to you, but if you want to shoot us a port template, I'll be happy to work on the ports before the manifold leaves here.

not a bad deal sounds like they have some good customer service too. Like stickmantijuana said it would be nice to have this just for the purpose of losing the primary rail . 6 id2000 injectors could make for some really good power and a lot less complicated fuel system and having all 6 located higher in the manifold might help with better atomization then haing the primaries located right in the intake ports.

Where was this a couple decades ago lol. I will be picking one up

Checked availability and found that they are both in stock, but that only the short manifold has the corrected runner size. The full height manifolds need to be corrected.

They're in stock. I checked our inventory of full height and short manifolds to confirm the port shapes and realized the last run of manifolds was the short version which have the corrected runners. The run of full height version manifolds was done a while back and I'll need to port them out as the correction didn't get in place before we made that first production run.
I'm glad this was brought up, I had forgotten about the timeline of events and would have missed correcting that on the first run full height manifolds.

Don't see too many people casting clean manifolds with extra injector bungs and less emissions crap. They're doing nice work!

These guys do a LIM, rotaryworks does a throttle body and elbow, does anyone do a bolt-on UIM?

I wish someone would build an upper intake manifold with the style similar to beautiful factory unit but one setup for standard ports and one for semi peripheral ports.

You mean this?

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto...96559497_n.jpg

thewird

I like projay's stuff really nice guy too. but maybe with runners that run parallel on the upper manifod and the same lettering in the factory manifold. I realize I'm just being picky at that point as the products are already great performers but the cosmetic changes would make it perfect IMO.

I'm not a fan of the Pro-Jay design...

look where the injectors are placed.

The pro-jay system is designed for the big boys. The lower intake has a rail in the stock secondary location and a second rail behind it. Plus the one on the upper intake for a total of 3 fuel rails each housing 6 injectors for a total of 18 injectors (plus the stock primaries, that's a capacity of 21 injectors).

thewird

pretty disappointing considering he sold me his defined autoworks shortened manifold..
a heads up wouldve been a nice gesture...

looks like something else I'm going to have to buy.... lol

The factory 20b UIM is rather adequate.

LOL, That's Phil for you :)..

Those are really nice!

Subscribed!

wondering if they will provide for an even shorter version..
this won't work with defined auto works kit since it requires 2.5 of clearance...

A shorter version will not be offered, but a 20B mounting solution is in the works.

leaves one question... how much will it cost? :-)

I think it was around $1000 with the rail

i think Phil has the DA auto kit

^He HAD one. Read the thread, papa bear :lol:

Wait, I was under the impression this would work with the DA kit. Is that not the case?

thewird

when I read 'kit' I thought he meant 'LIM'..... this before my morning cup o joe :D

Was allrotor referring to the DA subframe?

Sorry for any confusion :)

Defined auto is just motor mounts using the stock frame. They just adjust the height and location of accessories

The Xcessive LIM is certainly an impressive piece of work, but I see a few flaws in it.

1. Fuel rail fittings: NPT ports may work, but I would have some concerns about long-term serviceability. The majority of aftermarket fuel lines use AN fittings. In the case that a NPT to AN adapter breaks off, extracting the remnants is quite a bit more difficult. Anyone that has attempted to use a Bolt Extractor can vouch for this.

Depending on the material the rail is made of, correcting this flaw could be as simple as welding on a couple bungs. And in the case that one does break off, it would be much easier to replace by grinding it flush and welding on another $4 bung.

2. Shortblock flange surface: I'm not a machinist, but the flange surface needs redone. I can see grooves that would catch a fingernail easily. Someone more knowledgeable than I can weigh in on a proper specification, but the flange appears to be beyond the tolerance of a normal gasket. A suitable machine shop could correct this though.

3. Runner Height for shorter LIM: Defined Autoworks' install kit is pretty much the accepted norm for making a 20B FD. I believe that it would be much simpler and easier to adjust the height of the modified LIM's runners to suit the Defined Autoworks kit, rather than reinvent the wheel and try to make a kit to fit the current Xcessive Modified LIM. It appears that there would be enough room to remove about 1" more from it under the injector bungs, but this is just speculation. A proper side-by-side comparison by Logan would be the best way to determine how possible this is.

The product has potential, it just needs the flaws ironed out so it can really shine.

I think Phil has the DA kit do lets see if it fits

1k for this is a rip off, you would have rocks in your head if you think this is good value.

If it's 20b related, getting charged out the ass is common place. Hell look at how expensive our 20 year old used engines are? Lol! Thruthfully this will be a low demand low selling product so the cost will what it is. Im sure there's quite a bit of money invested in this. Give the guys a break.

i just fail to see the value in it thats all.

but on the other hand at least someone is prepared to do this for a 20+ year old motor so good on them for doing it.

it will not fit.. logan swears that for his kit.. the LIM needs to be lowered 2.5" for it to work..
ive requested with xcessive to test fit it their LIM with my DA kit.. but theyve stated that they have their own mounting kit in the works..
there are certain things you can do to get that other extra inch as there is some wiggle room with the DA kit..
not sure i want to be the guinea pig on such an expensive piece though... perhaps phil will chime in with what hes found and share this time.. :D

Investment in just the molds can average $10k depending on the amount of engineering that has to be done by the manufacturer. I've gotten quotes as high as $15k for a pretty small mold. Then you have to account for the manufacturing cost of the actual product (which is actually pretty low).

Figure you have $10k in molds, $5k in a first run of 20 parts, and only expect to sell 10~15 manifolds over the lifetime of the product.

15,000 / 15 = $1000 each, and that's not including any profits for your work. The price is really where it needs to be for it to be worth manufacturing. People don't make things to break even. If you want cheaper, buy a used OEM manifold.

20 year old motor or not, there's no modern 3 rotor replacement, and if no one else is making anything newer or better, then it's still the best option for the most power in the most efficient way.