Defined N/a 20b semi p-port. 421rwhp
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Perseverance---
: continued effort to do or achieve something despite difficulties, failure, or opposition : This is the word anyone in the sport of n/a tuning would learn to live and love. Having no boost pressure, auxiliary injection, or even supercharger pulleys to play with, naturally aspirated is both difficult and also very rewarding. With that said, here is our most recent shop car results! Using all learned knowledge over the years from my original ITB 20b, the good ol' 230wheel 1st gen "test mule" and many other projects, finally have the semi p-ports in action! Its a beta version, and really just the beginning. No rumors, no theorizing today. Just the findings and results. The engine setup- 20b n/a, 9.7:1 rotors, CLR balancing, race rotor bearings, stock stationary bearings. circuit porting, and exhaust porting, semi p-port. Dry sump mazdaspeed front cover. Oil and coolant modifications. Intake setup- Stock 20b intake with custom sheet metal plenum and 90mm TB. 3 x 35mm individual throttle bodies for p-ports. 9 fuel injectors. Triple staging. Accessories- Racing beat front pulley, mazda comp waterpump pulley. Exhaust- Custom stepped inconel header, fully adjustable design. 3.5" main exhaust going to twin 2.75" pipe and dual center exit Standalone- Electromotive Tec3R ecu, and inductive coils. Fuel- ATL 13 gallon fuel cell, Walbro fuel pump, 550cc x6, and 200cc x 3 Dyno Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXzuPuNWpXA Dyno Charts Attachment 715786 Attachment 715787 Engine shots Attachment 715788 Attachment 715789 Attachment 715790 Car pics Attachment 715791 Attachment 715792 Attachment 715793 |
UNBELIEVABLE!!!!! Great job, the car sounds flawless! Great numbers and a nice big fat flat torque cure to boot!!! Congrats, all the hard work finally paid off!
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Awesome!
You guys build some nice cars....your 1st gen, 13b s14 and now this |
What numbers did you get without the PP open? Isn't that a new intake setup for the main runners from what you dyno'd in the past?
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Congrats! I want one so bad!!!
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Wow that's impressive! A real development.
The only thing I'd be critical of is the torque number—it's really low relative to the horsepower. |
Originally Posted by 13B-RX3
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UNBELIEVABLE!!!!! Great job, the car sounds flawless! Great numbers and a nice big fat flat torque cure to boot!!! Congrats, all the hard work finally paid off!
Originally Posted by fritts
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What numbers did you get without the PP open? Isn't that a new intake setup for the main runners from what you dyno'd in the past?
Originally Posted by ptrhahn
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Wow that's impressive! A real development.
The only thing I'd be critical of is the torque number—it's really low relative to the horsepower. |
are the side ports stock?
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shoot i see circuit porting now... too late to edit.
nice man, real nice. |
Great Job Guys, Looks and Sounds Wicked!
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Wonder how this compares to the power SpeedSource is putting down in their 3 rotor Grand Am cars? They're running Pport motors, correct?
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Fantastic Job
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congratulations, Logan. i've been waiting for this day. it eclipsed my expectations. i trust this is not over and you'll be developing it even more with time. :)
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:icon_tup: :biggrin: :icon_tup:
He,he, heeeeee!! |
Fantastic! Seeing these numbers gives me hope that I may get close with my set-up. I won't be reving that hi as I'm not balanced for it yet. Great job Logan. You have really got something going here that will benefit any NA rotary enthusiast. After all these years, it's about time someone engineered OPENING semi PP's instead of the always open set-up.
Edit: Sounds like your PP's are opening just below 4K. Have you tried opening them later to smooth out the transition and improved bottom end? Looks like the semi's aren't really doing much till 5,300rpms. |
Originally Posted by RCCAZ 1
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Wonder how this compares to the power SpeedSource is putting down in their 3 rotor Grand Am cars? They're running Pport motors, correct?
I "heard" they made 426 to the wheels at a rule limited 8600rpm, I did not see this with my own eyes (2-15 Mazda RX8 (Prep 2) 2-15.1 20B Cosmo three rotor (Mazda Spec parts). 2.0 liter, 9.7 compression ratio, 3-52mm throttle bodies, maximum of 6 injectors, maximum fuel pressure 4.2 bar, intake manifold is free. Maximum RPM 8600.) Logan, are you able to close the PP throttle bodies completely so it can idle w/o the brap brap brap? also I see you have a tag, how much driving do you do? it must be FUN! BigAl... |
AWSOME, congrats on that achievement!!
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Great Job and numbers
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Good job guys! :icon_tup: No surprise though, I know you guys will get more power....
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Originally Posted by t-von
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Fantastic! Seeing these numbers gives me hope that I may get close with my set-up. I won't be reving that hi as I'm not balanced for it yet. Great job Logan. You have really got something going here that will benefit any NA rotary enthusiast. After all these years, it's about time someone engineered OPENING semi PP's instead of the always open set-up.
Edit: Sounds like your PP's are opening just below 4K. Have you tried opening them later to smooth out the transition and improved bottom end? Looks like the semi's aren't really doing much till 5,300rpms.
Originally Posted by BigAl...
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I "heard" they made 426 to the wheels at a rule limited 8600rpm, I did not see this with my own eyes
(2-15 Mazda RX8 (Prep 2) 2-15.1 20B Cosmo three rotor (Mazda Spec parts). 2.0 liter, 9.7 compression ratio, 3-52mm throttle bodies, maximum of 6 injectors, maximum fuel pressure 4.2 bar, intake manifold is free. Maximum RPM 8600.) Logan, are you able to close the PP throttle bodies completely so it can idle w/o the brap brap brap? also I see you have a tag, how much driving do you do? it must be FUN! BigAl... I do a decent amount of driving. Have gone to a few track events, want to visit big tracks and do time attack and more. With the dogbox its a handful on the street, but I love it. lol |
WOW. I could never have expected this great of results, congratulations to you sir. This should quiet up the N/A haters for a few days!
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After I'm done with this FI setup for my 13b, this will be my next build. Nothing like being NATURALLY ASPIRATED!
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Jeeeez a semi-port engine can make that kind of power??? wooow
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Theories are one thing. Taking those and putting them into practice is another.
Game changer.... yes. Epic. N/A performance has just evolved. Words can describe what you have done. |
Nice work..
Need to ask why you write rwhp when the dyno paper says 421 on flywheeel. 421 on flywheel is somewhere around 370 on the rear wheels. |
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