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1stRX8 01-11-04 10:59 PM

cosmetic 4 light system. One that opens only half of the stock unit.

speed7 01-11-04 11:02 PM

I know I have that link around here. I'll post it as soon as I find it.

speed7 01-11-04 11:26 PM

I can't seem to find it but this is a page that seems to have alot of links to poke around in. I'm pretty sure that light system your looking for is a custom job. Shouldn't be too hard to pull off though.

speed7 01-11-04 11:27 PM

forgot the link. :D

http://brfoundation.com/RX-7/MyFavorites.HTM

speed7 01-11-04 11:36 PM

I know I'm being a post whore but here... this was said to be usable on First gen rx-7's.

http://www.miata.net/garage/bsplow/

http://www.miata.org/cmt/bsp/default.asp

1stRX8 01-11-04 11:40 PM

sweet. If it doesn't fit. I at least know what's in it. An HID system with proper beam spread is the way to go.

speed7 01-11-04 11:47 PM

Yeah I'm going to do HID in both of my cars in the near future... only thing is the proper system is about 600 bucks per car. Which isn't bad but I would like to have a car that deserves the HID kit. Can't have people lookin at it if nothing is special you know.

rotarygod 01-12-04 01:22 AM

1stRX8: Which side of Houston are you on? I'd love to stop by and see the project of help in any way possible.

1stRX8 01-12-04 08:42 AM

Stafford on the SW side.
I'll PM my cell # to you

Bern 01-12-04 03:03 PM

1stRX8:
Quite an endevour you've taken on. But it's good to see that you have a budget and facilities to make it happen.

You might want to check out a project done by some one in Canada and I think one or two in Japan, that swapped complete FD mechanicals (including suspension) into FB chassis's. I'm sure some one on this forum has links to these cars.

Best of wishes and I really look forward to the end product. Let me know if you want any information on Mariah. I have a few pieces from them on my car.

https://www.rx7club.com//attachment....postid=2538898

-Bern
My turbo FB
http://home.earthlink.net/~brhslm/

1stRX8 01-12-04 06:49 PM

I spoke with Jim Susko at G-Force engineering. VERY helpful and very pleasant. I expect to buy "one of each" from him.

I am revising my weight estimate to 2050lbs based on our conversation. Maybe under 2000 if I really put the effort in. At that weight, I may not need a brake upgrade as the original car was 2850lbs and the brakes were decent then.

He also suggested staying with a stock rim diameter to optimize the geometry of the setup. I have no argument with the principle - but I never seen ANY cool looking 14" wheels. Even 15" are hard to come by. I

wwilliam54 01-12-04 06:51 PM


Originally posted by 1stRX8
I spoke with Jim Susko at G-Force engineering. VERY helpful and very pleasant. I expect to buy "one of each" from him.

I am revising my weight estimate to 2050lbs based on our conversation. Maybe under 2000 if I really put the effort in. At that weight, I may not need a brake upgrade as the original car was 2850lbs and the brakes were decent then.

He also suggested staying with a stock rim diameter to optimize the geometry of the setup. I have no argument with the principle - but I never seen ANY cool looking 14" wheels. Even 15" are hard to come by. I

the stock aluminums are pretty light
whats wring with those

1stRX8 01-12-04 06:55 PM

Ugly IMHO.

1stRX8 01-12-04 06:57 PM

Ugly IMHO. Plus they are a measly 5.5in wide. I bit small for the 280hp motor.

speed7 01-13-04 12:20 AM


Originally posted by 1stRX8
I am revising my weight estimate to 2050lbs based on our conversation. Maybe under 2000 if I really put the effort in. At that weight, I may not need a brake upgrade as the original car was 2850lbs and the brakes were decent then.
You may still want to consider a break upgrade, possibly getting powerslot rotors. They are just slotted so they hold up and I've heard some considerably good things about them. And having driven my SE fast and also drivin my FD.. The FD way out performs the SE in breaking. And going with more power, its great to go fast but important to be able to stop.

Rtrpwr 01-13-04 12:54 AM

Love the idea, make sure you document it all.

RotaryRevn 01-13-04 01:19 AM


Originally posted by 1stRX8

I could only hope for a mention in SCC.

How about getting an article into the new rotary tuner magazine!

1stRX8 01-13-04 08:36 AM


You may still want to consider a break upgrade, possibly getting powerslot rotors. They are just slotted so they hold up and I've heard some considerably good things about them. And having driven my SE fast and also drivin my FD.. The FD way out performs the SE in breaking. And going with more power, its great to go fast but important to be able to stop.
I agree that a brake upgrade is very necessary. Reducing the weight by 800+ lbs and using race pads might be enough. Believe me, If I have ANY reservations about braking - I won't hesitate for a second to upgrade to the Brembo's like my original plan indicates. If nothing else, the Brembo's look cool.

Directfreak 01-13-04 09:00 AM


Originally posted by 1stRX8
I agree that a brake upgrade is very necessary. Reducing the weight by 800+ lbs and using race pads might be enough. Believe me, If I have ANY reservations about braking - I won't hesitate for a second to upgrade to the Brembo's like my original plan indicates. If nothing else, the Brembo's look cool.
Where can you get Brembo's for a GSL-SE?
I can't find any "REAL" brake upgrades other than
upgraded rotors and Hawk pads.

Seven's only Racing = way too expensive Race only setup.

TII pistons and calipers = not a direct swap, and still nobody has posted an ACTUAL change. (I think Steve84GS has on the Mazspeed forum, but Not one pic.)


AJC13B fit FD Brakes on his, = Totally custom. ($$$)

If you want bigger, badder Brembos, I am afraid they are a custom job only.

1stRX8 01-13-04 09:13 AM

Yes, I was planning to do significant machining. I will use SolidWorks to model all the pieces and have them machined. I have not decided what material would be best. Probably a surface hardened off the shelf 304 SS.

MosesX605 01-13-04 09:43 AM

I have one word for you:

Panasports.
http://www.panasport.com/FS14.gif

onepointone 01-13-04 02:17 PM

i have one word for you...

SPINNAZ!!!1111


http://www.wheelmax.com/Wheels/spinning/spin-sm.gif
:bubrub:





Disclaimer: Just joking :D

81Rex6port13b 01-13-04 02:33 PM


Originally posted by onepointone
i have one word for you...

SPINNAZ!!!1111


http://www.wheelmax.com/Wheels/spinning/spin-sm.gif
:bubrub:





Disclaimer: Just joking :D

\


lol... that would definatly be hillarious.

1stRX8 01-13-04 03:14 PM

Sheeeeeeeeeet! Beeeotch

Directfreak 01-13-04 06:51 PM

I am not sure they made Panasports in the SE bolt pattern.

Bern 01-13-04 07:21 PM


Originally posted by Directfreak
I am not sure they made Panasports in the SE bolt pattern.
Sure they do.. they will even custom drill if wanted. For a price of course.

-Bern

1stRX8 01-13-04 07:36 PM

They will make whatever you want. As long as your not in a hurry.

RacerX7fb 01-13-04 08:27 PM

Speaking of brakes...
Dave Turner was in the process of developing a big brake kit using Wilwood goodies, machined aluminum hat, etc.. but for some reason ceased it.
Maybe I can go convince him that my car would be the ideal prototype :D

1stRX8 01-13-04 09:09 PM

It's usually money.

I had the meeting/car delivery with Valkerie racing today. The air chisel will start flying on Monday. First up, roll cage, followed by fuel cell, followed by rear glass removal and lexan replacment.
Depending on how long it takes to get the engine, the suspension has been chosen, as well as body work. They may come befor engine work. I predict that when the engine starts for the first time, I will be VERY dissapointed if the car is not ready to drive. Still looking for a fiberglass or carbon fiber hood that will directly replace stock.
Panasport wheels of proper dimensions can take a long time - so I should be ordering those soon. Probably the Ultra lights. Not DOT approved - how much trouble can you get in for using them on the highway?

Intial ideas on how to accomplish motor mounts are almost ready.
Surgury tomorrow, so pics may be delayed. Be back in a few days...........

Bern 01-13-04 09:26 PM


Originally posted by 1stRX8
It's usually money.

I had the meeting/car delivery with Valkerie racing today. The air chisel will start flying on Monday. First up, roll cage, followed by fuel cell, followed by rear glass removal and lexan replacment.
Depending on how long it takes to get the engine, the suspension has been chosen, as well as body work. They may come befor engine work. I predict that when the engine starts for the first time, I will be VERY dissapointed if the car is not ready to drive. Still looking for a fiberglass or carbon fiber hood that will directly replace stock.
Panasport wheels of proper dimensions can take a long time - so I should be ordering those soon. Probably the Ultra lights. Not DOT approved - how much trouble can you get in for using them on the highway?

Intial ideas on how to accomplish motor mounts are almost ready.
Surgury tomorrow, so pics may be delayed. Be back in a few days...........

If you're worried about the wheels not being DOT, then you should also worry about the Fuel Cell and Lexan windows. ;)

-Bern

1stRX8 01-13-04 09:35 PM

The windows in the back are ok I think. Side windows and windshield - no way. As for the fuel cell - geez it's safer than what's in there now.

Directfreak 01-13-04 11:21 PM

There was a thread from CP racing stating that they are "this close" to finishing a TII brake upgrade. I know I'd buy that in a minute.


Originally posted by 1stRX8
I had the meeting/car delivery with Valkerie racing today. The air chisel will start flying on Monday. First up, roll cage, followed by fuel cell, followed by rear glass removal and lexan replacment.
I thought this was going to be a street cruiser?

1stRX8 01-13-04 11:31 PM


I thought this was going to be a street cruiser?
It is. Street Legal. NOT a touring car by any means. A concept not too far from the F50. Just not $500k.

Pedestrian X 01-13-04 11:53 PM

Sounds like your making good progress, keep up the momentum :]

speed7 01-15-04 12:06 AM


Originally posted by RacerX7fb
Speaking of brakes...
Dave Turner was in the process of developing a big brake kit using Wilwood goodies, machined aluminum hat, etc.. but for some reason ceased it.
Maybe I can go convince him that my car would be the ideal prototype :D

Well back in the day when I used to work for him I swear we had them already and it was in the spec-7 package he sold.

Bern 01-15-04 12:14 AM


Originally posted by speed7
Well back in the day when I used to work for him I swear we had them already and it was in the spec-7 package he sold.
I doubt that, because a SPEC-7 is not allowed a BIG BRAKE upgrade. He probably had a stock replacement rotor and pad package though.

-Bern

speed7 01-15-04 12:20 AM

Bah whatever! :D We had something I know that but then again it's been more then 5 years. Either way I still think this car will be in need of some better/bigger rotors. Not only that but racing pads untill they are heated up will eat some rotors and won't fully function from what I've been told. So just using those I don't think are an option for a street car. Just my 2cp, I'm done.

Pedestrian X 01-15-04 04:17 PM

You have the 4 wheel disk allready I think you will be fine with upgrading to some hawk pads.

1stRX8 01-15-04 06:23 PM

Brakes are last on the list. After shaking the thing down at the track, It will be obvious what to do. It already has new rotors and Hawk blues[I think]. Like I said earlier - it WILL be done right, whatever that may be.

j200pruf 01-15-04 08:52 PM

If you are still considering a widebody kit CP racing makes a pretty nice Fiber Glass 5 piece set-up. http://www.cpracing.ca/productimages/1gwidebody.jpg

1stRX8 01-25-04 11:52 PM

The website has been updated.

Things are moving along, slowly of course. Should have more pics soon.

http://www.1bad7.com

Directfreak 01-26-04 12:03 AM

Just FYI,

I was at SpeedSource on Sat the 24. They built the Mazda RX-8 full race cars going in the Daytona Race this year.

It was part of a tour they gave us guys from the MRCCFL.

https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...postid=2588099

https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...postid=2588111

They have already tried every exhaust combination possible, every intake combination possible, have tried using the factory ECU, and even a FULL MOTEC ECU running everything.,
Leaning it out/richening the mixtures, everything was done on a Chassis Dyno.

They were brutually honest in telling us many, many things about how great the Renesis is.

HOWEVER,

Even with Multi-Million Dollar Funding, they are averaging only about 203 RWHP on the cars, and the max they have put out is 206 RWHP.

Even this RX-8 with a Full Cat-Back Exhaust only put out 186 RWHP

https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...postid=2587992

I am only telling you this so you don't have overly high horsepower expectations from the Renesis engine.

It seems like a significant amount of money for poor HP returns.

MosesX605 01-26-04 12:13 AM

That doesn't sound right DF because there is a piggy-back ECU available from Alberta for the RX-8 that delivers 20whp with a fairly conservative fuel map and close to 40 with ignition and fuel timing. Check out the Canzoomer vendor forum on the www.rx8club.com to see for yourself.

1stRX8 01-26-04 12:14 AM

I dynoed my RX-8 6 months ago, producing 183rwhp. I was told that the traction control interferes with the dyno results. Under ideal conditions, a bone stock Renesis should be close to the advertised 238hp. I was one of the first to squeel about the mystery missing hp in the Renesis. The RX-8 forum has tons opf info on that saga. We all got $500 and free maintenance for 4yrs/48k miles - or we could give the car back and Mazda would pay for everything. Canzoomer has succeeded in producing 20+ hp with his ECU stage 1 piggy-back and claiming 40+hp with the Race-only version. The system is still very new and these things take time. I am not in a rush.

With all that said, The Rensis is still [by a long shot] the most powerful stock NA rotary available. It will be a VERY reliable, relatively quiet, setup.

Directfreak 01-26-04 12:20 AM


Originally posted by MosesX605
That doesn't sound right DF because there is a piggy-back ECU available from Alberta for the RX-8 that delivers 20whp with a fairly conservative fuel map and close to 40 with ignition and fuel timing. Check out the Canzoomer vendor forum on the www.rx8club.com to see for yourself.
Do you have a direct link to Canzoomer's info?

1stRX8 01-26-04 12:24 AM

FYI - The RX-8 was designed amazingly well. The aftermarket community is having a difficult time developing parts that offer enough improvement to justify the price/effort. The cat-backs are only worth a few hp. CAI's - same thing. They make it sound cooler, but not really much faster. The RX-8 is a dramatic departure from anything Mazda has ever done with a rotary.

DF - I don't expect high HP numbers - in full race config [ie. no cat, headers] I might achieve 290hp [240rwhp]. Thats 50hp over stock. A mild TII setup could easily pass this. An FD motor would certainly blow it away. The fun part is making a fast car without the complications of a turbo system. It can be done - with cash, brains, and patience.

Directfreak 01-26-04 12:29 AM


Originally posted by 1stRX8
FYI - The RX-8 was designed amazingly well. The aftermarket community is having a difficult time developing parts that offer enough improvement to justify the price/effort. The cat-backs are only worth a few hp. CAI's - same thing. They make it sound cooler, but not really much faster. The RX-8 is a dramatic departure from anything Mazda has ever done with a rotary.

DF - I don't expect high HP numbers - in full race config [ie. not cat, headers] I might achieve 290hp. Thats 50hp over stock. A mild TII setup could easily pass this. An FD motor would certainly blow it away. The fun part is making a fast car without the complications of a turbo system. It can be done - with cash, brains, and patience.

Ok, I was just telling you what was personally told to me by the head mechanic at that Mazda Sponsered Shop.

BTW, - they got no increase at all using headers over the stock factory exhaust manifold. The engine has no overlap, and is completely closed for 3 full degrees, virtually eliminating the scavenging effect of headers.

I am on your side, and I hope you guys really do pull it off, because I would love a 2nd N/A 1st gen with high HP.

1stRX8 01-26-04 12:59 AM


BTW, - they got no increase at all using headers over the stock factory exhaust manifold. The engine has no overlap, and is completely closed for 3 full degrees, virtually eliminating the scavenging effect of headers.
True. Header HP gains will be small and only due to the slightly better flow path. Mazda has totally outdone themsleves with this engine. If anyone can figure out a REALISTIC way to incorporate a turbo, it will be a monster. The compression of 10:1 IMHO makes TC impractical. The seal config on the rotors dis-allows an easy swap from 3g or 2g models.

Removing the cat does help alot, if you can tame the sound.

Directfreak 01-26-04 01:10 AM


Originally posted by 1stRX8
Removing the cat does help alot, if you can tame the sound.
FYI,

The guys at that shop did start one of the Race cars up, with a straight 3" exhaust and no mufflers. They even reved it up to redline a few times.

Sounds like music, and it was not loud AT ALL. Very quiet infact.

1stRX8 01-26-04 01:22 AM

music? You win the rotary fan club "Member of the Year" award for sure. That was funny. What key was it in?


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