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Sgt Fox 01-12-10 06:56 PM

Fuel pump install
 
So in preparation for the new engine and carbs, I set up my FPR and fuel pump. Seems to be working well.

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installer67 01-12-10 07:37 PM

Great idea placing it in the "stock" location. Very nice! I see your welding skills look about the same as mine though, just enough to get by. LOL

Sgt Fox 01-12-10 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by installer67 (Post 9733252)
Great idea placing it in the "stock" location. Very nice! I see your welding skills look about the same as mine though, just enough to get by. LOL

I'm using a flux core shitty Canadian Tire wire feed... I have never seen anyone get good results with that POS.

AcidAngel7477 01-12-10 07:48 PM

lol...damn, that look's good. i was just wondering how i was going to mount that holly fuel pump and f.p.r. now i got an idea.

how long did it take you to make that box?

:AA:

installer67 01-12-10 09:06 PM

Ahhh....
 

Originally Posted by Sgt Fox (Post 9733262)
I'm using a flux core shitty Canadian Tire wire feed... I have never seen anyone get good results with that POS.

Well, your job looks grear none the less. My own welds are sometimes great other times ugly. LOL

K-Nives 01-12-10 09:16 PM

Due to lack of skills and lack of tools I had to makeshift install my carter fuel pump when I replaced the holley. That took alote of patience >.<

Sgt Fox 01-12-10 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by K-Nives (Post 9733449)
Due to lack of skills and lack of tools I had to makeshift install my carter fuel pump when I replaced the holley. That took alote of patience >.<

Got any pictures? Looks like we live in the same city as well! Let me know if you need any help/parts.

Kentetsu 01-13-10 10:41 AM

Sarge, you should consider a better filter now, or even go dual stock filters like I did....

t_g_farrell 01-13-10 12:49 PM

Nice job on the fab work to get the holley in there. I wish the carter could
be mounted sideways like that.

When I installed my Carter 6psi pump I noticed it barely got to 4.5 psi
at the carburator using a brand new OEM metal filter canister. I then
swapped in a Fram see through and got back 1 psi at the carburator.

That stock filter really sucked from what I could tell. I think that OEM filter
is what killed my 20 year old dual facet setup I originally had for my
Dell setup.

Heres pic of it:

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_yHWw1b7rWdc/Sw...0/IMG_0009.JPG

trochoid 01-13-10 01:54 PM

Nicely done Sarge.

I was under the impression that the Holley was supposed to be mounted vertically. Don't have the mounting instructions any more.

Sgt Fox 01-13-10 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by Kentetsu (Post 9734343)
Sarge, you should consider a better filter now, or even go dual stock filters like I did....

I am only using 2.5 psi right now with the stock carb and I will need 3.5psi with the webers... since the pump puts out 14psi, is the fuel filter that much of a concern?


Originally Posted by trochoid (Post 9734706)
Nicely done Sarge.

I was under the impression that the Holley was supposed to be mounted vertically. Don't have the mounting instructions any more.

It didn't mention it on one set of instructions I had, but on another set it said to mount it vertically. I didn't read that one until afterwards and it only mentioned it inside a huge paragraph of text, not a "You must do this or death" box, like the rest of the caution points. I tried it both ways and it doesn't seem to affect the pump at all. Its slightly on a downwards angle anyway. I think the reason they want you to mount it vertically is because if the pump leaks, it will leak down, instead of on the electrical part.

installer67 01-13-10 02:31 PM

This is totally a newbie question, but what is the extra screw/port on the bottom for? Looks like it's on the inlet side. Mine has one too, and I didn't get any info or instructions w/mine.

Sgt Fox 01-13-10 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by installer67 (Post 9734776)
This is totally a newbie question, but what is the extra screw/port on the bottom for? Looks like it's on the inlet side. Mine has one too, and I didn't get any info or instructions w/mine.

IIRC it is to clean and service the pump...

Its apparently the pressure relief screw. Removing it allows you to remove the pressure relief plunger.

Rotaryfreak702 01-14-10 01:06 PM

Nice setup. I need to replace my pump, just not sure what to get.

K-Nives 01-15-10 09:26 PM

Sadly I didnt get to take any pictures of installing the pump due to rain and the fact my car was parked over a nice lil mud puddle haha.

Heres a question tho, right now im running a Nikki Carb in the car and the previous owner said that it runned the best in the car. He did give me a Weber carb the other weekend tho and I was considering sticking it in. He gave me a pressure gauge for it to so I can play with it. Will the Carter work well with it you think? Or should I just stay with the nikki?

'87 turbo II 01-15-10 10:03 PM

Well now that I know it works on it's side it'll be a hell of a lot easier to mount the 2nd time (I mounted it, crashed the car, swapped all the parts into another chassis, and still need to move the pump over)

Sgt Fox 01-16-10 12:56 AM


Originally Posted by K-Nives (Post 9740074)
Sadly I didnt get to take any pictures of installing the pump due to rain and the fact my car was parked over a nice lil mud puddle haha.

Heres a question tho, right now im running a Nikki Carb in the car and the previous owner said that it runned the best in the car. He did give me a Weber carb the other weekend tho and I was considering sticking it in. He gave me a pressure gauge for it to so I can play with it. Will the Carter work well with it you think? Or should I just stay with the nikki?

I'd stay with the Nikki until you at least get more comfortable with the car.

K-Nives 01-16-10 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by Sgt Fox (Post 9740462)
I'd stay with the Nikki until you at least get more comfortable with the car.

That's fine by me lol. Im still new to cars in general and am reading the hanes manual plus I read around the forums in my spare time. No hurt in reading problems I dont have with my car yet lol.

chris_g 01-19-10 10:52 AM

Fox - Let me know if you have any problems with it being mounted horizontally.

I just picked up the Summit version of the Holley Blue, so it should result in similar problems if you have any.

I'll give Summit a call right now to see if it can be mounted horizontally and post back what they say.

chris_g 01-19-10 11:54 AM

So I called up summit and they said if you mount it horizontally, it won't produce a good seal and can cause premature failure.

If you want a pump to mount any which way, he recommended the Mr. Gasket 12s.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MRG-12S/

It puts out 35gph ranging from 4-7psi.

Now, based on the RB website, the Holley 465 runs at 20gph at 6psi. Im assuming this should be sufficient.

The Holley 600 is probably a little different, which sucks for me. I'm going to assume 6-6.5psi at around 20-25gph. This should still be sufficient. You have to account in for the pressure loss among the fuel line and filters though, which may just put you at 6.5psi. I guess I can try and if it doesn't work I can report back here.

BandDButton 01-21-10 09:11 PM

I installed the carter inline pump that came with a filter. It is noisy, loud, and is the filter crap?
I have a new one that I can replace it with. I was going to put it upfront between the firewall and the carb as a second
filter. Is there something I can do to help quiet this pump?

Sgt Fox 01-22-10 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by chris_g (Post 9747203)
So I called up summit and they said if you mount it horizontally, it won't produce a good seal and can cause premature failure.

If you want a pump to mount any which way, he recommended the Mr. Gasket 12s.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MRG-12S/

It puts out 35gph ranging from 4-7psi.

Now, based on the RB website, the Holley 465 runs at 20gph at 6psi. Im assuming this should be sufficient.

The Holley 600 is probably a little different, which sucks for me. I'm going to assume 6-6.5psi at around 20-25gph. This should still be sufficient. You have to account in for the pressure loss among the fuel line and filters though, which may just put you at 6.5psi. I guess I can try and if it doesn't work I can report back here.

I actually have picked up one of those pumps. The holley is just too fucking loud.

Jibaro 12A 01-23-10 02:16 PM

What model FRP are you using? What PSI did you have it set too when you were running the Nikki?

Kentetsu 01-23-10 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by BandDButton (Post 9753811)
I installed the carter inline pump that came with a filter. It is noisy, loud, and is the filter crap?
I have a new one that I can replace it with. I was going to put it upfront between the firewall and the carb as a second
filter. Is there something I can do to help quiet this pump?

Queting a Carter:

1. Mount the pump on the frame rail, not the back of the storag bin (works like a speaker to make it even louder).

2. Use rubber between pump a mounting surface.

3. Once installed, spray the whole damned thing with a heavy coating of Rubberized Undercoating.

4. Install bigger speakers for stereo system, or get louder exhaust.

:)

K-Nives 01-23-10 03:31 PM

Haha the Holley is a freaking beast! The reason why I knew mine was crapping out was because I would stick the car to on and the car would be silent (Giving it a hit with the hammer works only so well. Eventually it just didnt want to go anymore). Its kind of nice when you can sit and have a conversation normally and not over that loud VRRRRRRRRRRR noise :P

I mean I got used to it after a while but when ever I had a passenger they would make a comment about it.


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