Ebay troubles opinions please
 

i recently sold my 84 gs rx-7 with 62k miles on it on ebay. It sold for $800 i originally paid $1000 for it. I was like ok i'll eat the loss because i had another rx which all my attention is going into. In the auction i said it was a restore car cause the clutch was acting funny and it had moderate rust. The car ran fine though and started right up. So the lady who bought it drove it like 800 miles home and the clutch goes out actually the pressure plate. She did not seem to upset about that but then she emails me saying that the car was extremly rusted and there was rust on the bottom of the doors. and that the exhuast was falling apart. she wants me to give her some money back but i dont think thats fair.

what do you guys think the engine / drivetrain alone is worth with only 62k miles on it?

what would you guys do in this situation?

and i do insist that you refrain from saying "Stick it in her butt" :D

I paid $800 for an 83 that had a lot of rust around the rear window drains, and the spare tire, and through the gas tank.
The motor had been recently rebuilt by RP in Margate FL, I was happy with the deal.
What did she expect for the money, a new car?

Well if it makes her feel that much better then give her like $50-100 back and some parts or something. I mean put yourself in her postion from being upset.. but dont give her a huge some because if you think thats not that much money for a car, let alone a sports car. This is just some ideas, I mean you could mabye just find some decent used exaust parts she's talking about. Just dont take a huge loss.

She had a chance to inspect the car when she received it. Sold as is, where is.

I would not give her anything.


The engine is worth the cost of the car.

Can you link to the auction page? I'd like to see what it reads...

However, for $800, I don't think you'd owe her any money back. It's her responsibilty as the buyer of a car to see the car first before she buys it. If she didn't, too bad. If she had paid more for the car, I may say give some cash back, but I'd say $800 is more than a fair price for a running FB with such low mileage. Coincidentally, that's how much I paid for my FB a few weeks ago, and yes it needs a lot of work but damn if it wasn't worth the price I paid!

Not a bad idea, but a tough call. I mean she didnt spend a fortune on it. But if that'll passify her, then your done with the deal, and on good terms. And tell her about this forum!

800 isnt all that much for a running car i just paid that much for my rb exhaust for a car that needs the engine rebuilt. (So i'm jumpin the gun a little) Tell her to have a nice day.

i think this should be in the lounge, Yes you sold a 1st gen, but other than that is has no place here....


oh and tell the bitch tough luck, dont give her any money back

You owe her nothing! She purchased a car and looked at it. So she is dead in the water. No problems putting another 800 miles on it. Its buyers remorse, she gets it home then has someone tell her its trash. When she bought it, it was fine now?????

My 2 Cents

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john, i want a speaker box like yours, how much to make one! :)

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She should have known the risks of buying something sight unseen. Cars are one item I wouldn't buy on ebay unless I was prepared for the worst. You may take a hit on your rating, but explain it in your response to her feedback and let it go.

It's her own damn fault, plain and simple. She should have asked for more pictures before traveling 800 miles. Besides, the door rust can probably be fixed. If not, oh well. It isn't detrimental to the driving/handling of the car.

And a RUSTY EXHAUST?! My 7 that I recently got for $500 had rust on the doors, a cut off muffler (I was going to replace the exhaust anyways), what I THINK is an O2 sensor that has rusted completely off, a crappy maaco paintjob (just enough to keep it from rusting ;)), and it doesn't even run! IMHO, that's a damn good deal for just $500. She should be THANKING you for a car with only 62k miles on it!

You can't make everyone happy. She had the opportunity to look at it before she bought it and you informed her of the clutch problem (I'm assuming you made no guarantee?). I personally would not drive a car with a clutch problem 800 miles. That's ALOT of distance to travel in one trip.

Well, now that I've typed all of this, let me play Devil's Advocate: Were you aware of the rust? Did she ask you about any rust that you knew about?

From my experiences of buying/selling a car, you should never tell the potential buyer minor things that are wrong (i.e. things that would affect the reliability of the car in the future, or which make the car dangerous in someway.) If the potential buyer asks about something, you tell them about it, but only answer their question. It may seem like rotten business, but it's how business works.

ebay is very specific about this...caveat emptor...stick her in the butt...lol...no, really though, the running valvetrain at 62 K miles is worth that kind of money ALONE...link her to this thread if she needs to see it in print. A rebuilt long block is $1200 on the cheap. A good body, no drivetrain, is worth $600, paint good, too, then $750...no engine at all. A good used 12A by itself at 90,000+, around $400, with a tranny, $500.....it should be obvious she is ahead in this particular game STILL....:cool:

well in the auction you said it was a restore car and "the clutch was acting funny and it had moderate rust. " I don't really see that you owe her anything but that is your call

From her profile on ebay it looks like she has been selling a bunch of RX7 stuff. She obviously knows what this stuff is worth and has cash to fix the car. You covered the problems in your description. I'd tell her sorry but no refunds.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ebaymotors/...7&frompage=222

He built it, and left some great pictures for us to look at. Click on his pic, and looksie...

heres a link for the auction http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=2492712197

Very Fair, her mistake. But, if 50 bones would shut her trap, I would do it.

Don't ask me to make one. It two full weeks to make that bad boy! I would'nt do it for under $400. I just sold off my fiberglass 12" ones to Rotofire, i think he is going to be real happy with them. Sorry about the tread jacking!

John

looks like she bought it just to part it out anyways. But if your looking to just give out money for no real reason. I can give you my paypal addy 50.00~100.00 will shut me up :bigthumb: at least for a little while. Did you already give her feedback? if not wait till she leaves some for you. That way if she puts it in your ass you can return the favor.

Refer her to the forum anyways. This thread specifically and she might actually make post traffic in the for sale section :rlaugh:

You looked at it wrong, She was the buyer on thoese auctions, and looks like she has bought enough stuff to build a new car.

she wants 300 bucks back... that means the car is hers of $500 after i paid $1000

Just tell her no, or tell her to bring it back and you will refund the money.

From the pics your car looked to be a 800 - 1500 car.

she put a new pressure plate on it and tire rod ends though......

Sounds like it is now her car and you owe nothing. Do you have a bill of sale with her signiture on it?

yes i do

Your description of the car was accurate. Buyers remorse. Tell her you would be more than happy to give all her money back in return for the car.

Her tough luck. She's already started fixing it. And I woulda paid you around $1500-$1800 for the car. I paid $1500 for my 81 with 100k miles on it, and a dowell pin leak. Tell her tough shit.

You should be Golden then. The car would not fall under any Lemon laws that I know of, and she signed a bill of sale that says where is, as is.

Just be kind and let her know that you do not owe her anything. If that does not work then "Piss off" and the finger should do it.

i think thats what im going to have to do.

She must have know that she was going to put money into it if she was buying from Ebay! Its hers, don't go to the dark side and give any money back.

I agree. You don't owe her anything.

i caved, my parents are telling me to give her the 300 just to get her to put this behind her... plus i dont want to feel like i scammed her, even though i feel scammed myself.. i let you know how this turns out after i hear from her.... and i will post her emails.

I wouldnt give her anything........ :cursing:

like i said i caved... unless anyone from tennesse wants to go "talk her out of it" for me ;)

DON'T CAVE!!! You said everything you needed to in the discription! She got exactly what you said she would get. If she didn't want the car she wouldn't have given you the money. You said that the clutch had started to act funny in the discription of the car... end of it. Hold on to your lugnuts!!!

$300 is way too much....tell her she gets $150 for a new clutch and that's it. Being on eBay, she should realize she'll have change left over even using the "Buy It Now" button out there...if she has the rolling car and the drivetrain after all is said and done, $500 purchase price is flat out ripping YOU off.....:mad:

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Why not give her all her money back and let her keep the car. Come on you made her drive it 800 miles, that such an inconvience. Your so mean to make her drive 800 miles to pick up the car SHE bought that is 20 years old!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your parents have a problem with binding contracts!

She paid for something after seeing a bunch of pics then got cold feet because it wasn't a picture perfect example of a prime RX-7 for $800... Tell her tuff luck.

shit buy it back and I will buy it.
 

Buy the damn thing back! I will be back in Indiana in 2 weeks or so, and I will buy the damn think for 800.00 sight unseen, I don't even care if the thing runs as rebuilding an FB is kinda like jerking off, and I often do it in my sleep! (plus I want a US model FB) over hear all I can get is a JDM SA22C )

Kenn_chan

PM Me
 

PM Me swear to god if she don't want it i will come over and get it, Hell i will pay an extra 300 for the Parts she put on it!

Keriissst almighty!

Yep, don't give her anything, ebay rules stipulate that by submitting a bid and winning an auction you are in a legal binding agreement. Tell her this is a business not a charity, If she didn't want to pay that much she shouldn't have bid.

P.S. Tell your parents to grow a set. :)

Wow, that is the suckiest saddest thing I have ever read. I have had the chance to buy many many first gens. Not that this is making me the first gen expert or anything, but I wouldnt give that lady anything. Nothing. In fact I would probably bitch her out every time I saw her or talked to her. Shes being really snobby about this and kinda acting like a typical whiny female, you owe her nothing and it sucks that you gave into her whinyness. If you want I'll talk to her and straighten her out........

this is what she said

I understand that the drive train is worth 600.00 but I did not buy the car for the drive train (honestly the gas gauge is the least of my worries) In the ebay the pictures of the front fenders were at a dissence as to not show the weak parts of the car and kept anyone from seeing the rust on the bottom of the doors . Now way you can see the rust under door the time of day the picture were taken.. should have been a clue. ....it cost me 800.00 to pick up the car from the garage...and it is still a rust bucket... I came home dragging the shielding from the muffler. This does include the cost of picking the car up....)......I have other cars that need to be restored but this car...we are talking complete rust under the car with holes and all of the shielding for the exhaust has fallen off. I never expect to have to take a cutting torch to the car to restore it. I guess I should have never paid for it until I put it on a rack (I EXPECT PEOPLE TO BE HONEST) Mark, I am not a perfect person but I like to think I have Integrity... The guy at the garage said sell it to someone else. I just can not do this to some else. I would be happy with 300.00....but you must understand (I thought this would be a dream car...62k miles...that would make you think it had been garage kept..not a RUST Bucket .) This is a nightmare to me....
Thanks
Robin

this is what she first said.... i dont know where she gets that it is a 100 mile trip to tenn.???

I am thinking about contacting Ebay. This car is falling apart....All of the shielding from the exhaust has fallen off on the way home a 100miles trip. There is a whole under the rear fender. Between the fender and the door. Both doors have rust at the bottom edge..I do no how you feel about this...I do not think you were complete honest.....I am very disappoint. I would like some of my money back.

originally she said

Chris,

You have nothing to be sorry youwere...... honest about everything....The car is 20 years old....things happen...
You were very honest about everything....and that is what is important....I am not upset...I very happy with the car....thank you again....

this is what my dad said last night


Robin,

I’m really sorry about this whole deal and I do feel bad that you had to put $800.00 in the car immediately. I do understand how you are feeling, but once again, we did not try to deceive you.

I looked for six months before I purchased this car as a gift to my son and paid $1,000.00 for it in September 2003. I planned on working with Chris to restore it. Due to Chris’ work and school schedule, we were not able to do anything with the car. So, that is why we decided to sell it. I still believe the car is worth restoring.

We are willing to send you $300.00 to put closure to this situation. Again, we do not feel the price was unfair but we learned a lesson on selling a car on e-bay. We will stick to the old fashion way – have a person come out and look at the car and then make a deal.

Robin, sending you the $300.00 is not admitting wrong but that I am willing to lose money because of this situation.

Let me know how you want to handle this money transaction (whether by pay-pal or bank check).

Thanks,

Mark

this is what we said before.... sorry about the reverse order....


I’m sorry you are now disappointed with your purchase after driving the RX-7 800 miles home. I tried to state the condition of the car as well as I could, down to the gas gauge that did not work.

I also tried to clearly communicate that the car would need to be restored and provided lots of pictures.

Regarding your concern with rust, 20- year old Ohio cars typically have rust on all body parts that are not painted. In Ohio, the road crews use lots of salt in the winter, so it can’t be avoided, like in the southern states.

However, I would like you to feel you got an ok deal if possible, so what do you recommend regarding adjusting the price? The drive train alone is worth at least $600.00 with only 62,000 original miles.

Please let me know what you would be satisfied with and hopefully we can work it out.

We did not intentionally try to mislead you in any way.

Thank you,

Mark Seeley (Chris’ dad)