Common cause of power loss on Nikki carbureted models
A tune-up story from a newbie.
I got my first Rx-7 (1981 GSL) last week. When I drove it back to my house, I noticed that it was pretty sluggish. (Weak acceleration, slow throttle response). After doing a lot of searching and researching on this forum(thanks for the great information btw), I was ready to do a good tune up. This being first real tune up (not just an LOF, which I have done for all my cars) I was a bit nervous. I changed out fluids(oil, antifreeze, transmission), filters(fuel, air, oil), plugs, cable, and distributor/rotor. The old fluids were not too bad, except the antifreeze which had some rust flakes (time to do some more forum searching, lol). I took it out on a drive and noticed a drastic change. Better acceleration but still a slow throttle response not to mention a gas smell like it was rich. So I took it back home and started to adjust the carb and once I was satisfied, I took it out again. The result was barely any backfires and better acceleration and better throttle response. I was pretty happy with myself but I had a feeling it could do better. I started looking at the carb again and you wouldn't image what I saw: The accelerator cable was not correctly hooked up. I guess the best way I can describe it is that it was half way hooked up. I started the car, and my Rx-7 purred. I drove it again and all I can say is wow. Awesome acceleration and throttle response. It was great. I guess the lesson of the day is: don't assume everything is hooked up. I do have one question and I have to apologize because it is a stupid question: Is the choke valve suppose to be completely vertical when the choke is not engaged? I know, flame on, I deserve it, but the choke cable is broke and the choke valve is 75% closed. I just want to make sure. Thanks for listening to a newbie's story! |
The choke "flap" should be fully opened when not in use. That will definitely effect the mixture levels.
Can you give a better description of how the throttle cable was? You need to make sure that you don't adjust the cable too tight, or you can damage the carb. There should be some slack in the cable, but still fully open the carb when the pedal is fully depressed. |
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Here is a pic that shows what was happening with my carb. I connected the cable correctly and now it runs great.
Credit for picture goes to cdrad51. |
That finger is used to tighten up the linkage to the throttle. I have had many say it does nothing...and have had a rotary machanic flip it back down to where yours is placed. When I had a 12a and first pulled mine up to the fork fingers I did notice a slight difference in throttle responce...so this is what i lead it to.
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Oh man doing that was like night and day with my 7. I didn't even realize it was disconnected. No wonder my 7 seemed so damn slow LOL. We got some good things accomplished with getting his shutter valve blocked off and getting his choke plate tepmorarely opened straight until we get more time to mess with it. It needs tuning quite a bit with the mixture and idle speed but the timing needs set right first.
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Originally Posted by StricklyOldskool
That finger is used to tighten up the linkage to the throttle. I have had many say it does nothing...and have had a rotary machanic flip it back down to where yours is placed. When I had a 12a and first pulled mine up to the fork fingers I did notice a slight difference in throttle responce...so this is what i lead it to.
cheerz |
Ah, the infamous Teeter Totter! Glad you got it figured out...
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I was reading this thread and decided to pop the hood on my RX-7. Guess what? My car was suffering from the Teeter Totter syndrome too. I feel bad because this "teeter totter" thingy has been out of position for the last 4 years since I owned the car. Popped it back in place and now my RX-7 runs like a raped ape. Thank you for the help!
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i just hooked mine back up. ill let you know if it feels different after i drive it to work tonight.
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Wow mine was't hooked up ethier. :rlaugh:
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Yeah I think every FB owner should check for this. I had noticed it just seemed like the scondaries just weren't doing anything, I ran seafoam through her and still nothing. The lowend actually felt better then the top end. After 4k it was just like wasted RPM. Once I hooked it back up, Bingo they are back and shit does this car fly. I can't wait to get my RB header actually on tomorrow morning
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I simply removed that emergency return spring from a Nikki I modified because it caused more problems than it prevented.
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ok so lets get this clear ..... it should not be like in the picture??
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No, it should be hooked onto the spot above...
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WOW great info. im gonna go check if mine is hooked up when i get home today. i tought my car was a bit sluggish. but being its my first 7 i wasnt sure. thanks for the info keep them coming :smiley_12
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We should probably include a photo of correct installation...
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Ok got home and hooked it up i think i did it right (i have attached pics) big diffrence in throttle response WOW "BUT" now my idle went way up to like 2000 rpm and drops really slowly to 1500 rpm. what do i need to do next remember im a rx7 newb so be nice :pat:
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Proper location of secondary linkage on Nikki carburetor.
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ok thanks doc at least i know i connected it right. but what do ypu think about my idle
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Originally Posted by VPTUNING
Ok got home and hooked it up i think i did it right (i have attached pics) big diffrence in throttle response WOW "BUT" now my idle went way up to like 2000 rpm and drops really slowly to 1500 rpm. what do i need to do next remember im a rx7 newb so be nice :pat:
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aw ok. do i just spin the top piece for slack ???? :bottom:
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Loosen the bottom nut with a 12mm wrench. That will release tension on the cable if that is the cause.
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aww ok im such a newb. its been a while since ive worked on carb.
950.00 for my rx7 100.00 for smog and prep knowledge from the "DOC" PRICELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
I remember when mine popped loose. It was on the dyno. The throttle hung wide open. 8500RPM before I got the key shut off....... Video on request.
Even without the benefit of the secondaries, it still pulled 96RWHP........... The inductive lead wasn't reading very well, so it barely registered. I think the 136RWHP spike was a fluke. |
Even with mech secondaries, if that nut has come off of the 'teeter-totter' the spring will jam up against it and the throttle will not open 100%.
I went through an entire autocross season before I figured that out. :lol: |
Mine was unhooked too, I nominate this thread for a sticky!
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Great job on re-titling everything Doc. This will really make it stand out for the arichives I believe.
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re-titling? I hadn't noticed that...
Hey Doc, if you're bored and you want to re-title stuff, how about continuing what I started in the archives and prefixing threads with their corresponding area of the car so that when you alpha sort all the (COOLING) threads are together, all the (ENGINE) threads are together, etc... Jon |
LoL mine was extremly loose and i just torqued it down! Its too late to start it up ill wake the neighbors so i will have to wait until tomm to see if it makes a diff!
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lol old thread
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Nice thread. So basically it's a 2bbl when this is not attached?
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Yep, so slow as dirt. After 4000 rpms it's just revving for nothing
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mine was dirt after like 3k lol
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It was unhooked on Rusty. She's running MUCH better now! I could never of got her running like this without this forum. Which is hands down the best Auto forum community on the web. OMG this one thing seemed to of solved problems. It's running like new now.
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so, this is just on an fb right? not an s/a?
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I checked mine and it's hooked up properly although the nut is at the end of the threads, not like the picture where there is 1/4" of threads showing. DAmn, I was hoping it wasn't hooked up and I could find some extra horsepower.:lol:
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Originally Posted by 780rx7
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so, this is just on an fb right? not an s/a?
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It's on both SA and FB's.
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i got to check mine tom. i hope this fixs my carb issues
Man got to love forums!!!! |
No gas?
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It pays to read threads :(
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Wow, shocking how many people have experienced this. Mine was unhooked too.
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I have mechanical secondaries...it wasn't hooked up but didn't see what could...mechanical secondaries for the win!
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Sure enough mine was unhooked too. Gonna have to hit the highway and see if it makes a difference im sure it will.
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Just went outside on my lunch break....
....and mine was disconnected too!! |
ok newb question is the nikki carb the stock carb for an 1985 rx7
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Originally Posted by illi11
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ok newb question is the nikki carb the stock carb for an 1985 rx7
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Uh-oh.:uhh: The secret's out and my "modding" scam is about to be uncovered...
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I remember back in the day when I first had my RX-7 I stumbled across the same thing. Good thread getting the information out there on a common problem. Archive material (if it's not already hidden in there somewhere).
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http://foxed.ca/rx-7/april08/small/DSCN2779.jpg
Oh bloody hell! After a trip to the junkyard: http://foxed.ca/rx-7/april08/small/DSCN2781.jpg Only thing is, my throttle cable feels like it has slack now. Where do I go about adjusting that? |
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