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elwood 05-05-13 05:46 PM

1st Gen Fuel Tanks
 
Mazdatrix shows different tanks for 79-80, 81-83, and 84-85. I know the 84-85 GSL-SE tank has a cup that the fuel supply and return fit into. What's the difference between the other versions?

flight_of_pain 05-05-13 10:13 PM

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79-80 is different on top due to the spare tire well, 81-85 non -se is fundamentally the same and will swap no problem. The -se tank has larger lines, and the pitiful slosh cup.

Are you just replacing a bad tank, or do you have some performance goals? The s4 pump hanger and slosh cup go really nicely into an 81-85 tank.

Attachment 673069


Isaac

Rx7carl 05-05-13 11:07 PM

Somewhere in there is also a capacity change when the spare tire changed from a full size to the donut type. IIRC it went from 14.5 to 16 gal.

elwood 05-06-13 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by flight_of_pain (Post 11459646)
79-80 is different on top due to the spare tire well, 81-85 non -se is fundamentally the same and will swap no problem. The -se tank has larger lines, and the pitiful slosh cup.

Are you just replacing a bad tank, or do you have some performance goals? The s4 pump hanger and slosh cup go really nicely into an 81-85 tank.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g3...n/IMG_2233.jpg


Isaac

I'm looking at replacing a tank and want to know which years will fit in the car. Thanks for the info.

j9fd3s 05-06-13 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by Rx7carl (Post 11459707)
Somewhere in there is also a capacity change when the spare tire changed from a full size to the donut type. IIRC it went from 14.5 to 16 gal.

true, i think 79-80 is the small one, but i could be wrong.

82transam 05-06-13 03:25 PM

Right, 79-80 were like 14.5 gallons, vs ~16.1 in the 81-85 tanks. I believe that the 81-83 and 84/85 tanks are not 100% interchangeable though. I can't remember for sure, but I thought there were some slight differences in the tops of the tanks (and the frame rails on the cars) that make them not bolt right in.
I'll see if I can find that thread...

j9fd3s 05-06-13 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by 82transam (Post 11460321)
Right, 79-80 were like 14.5 gallons, vs ~16.1 in the 81-85 tanks. I believe that the 81-83 and 84/85 tanks are not 100% interchangeable though. I can't remember for sure, but I thought there were some slight differences in the tops of the tanks (and the frame rails on the cars) that make them not bolt right in.
I'll see if I can find that thread...

well i know my 84-85's have had drain plugs and my 82 doesn't... also i think the 84-85's have a bolt on fuel pipe setup, and the 81-83 the pipes are welded/brazed on the tank.

elwood 05-06-13 06:21 PM

RX-7 Fuel Tanks
 
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I think I have it. The S1 (79-80), S2 (81-83) and S3 (84-85) appear in order below. I can't tell by the images which tanks would physically fit in which cars (aside from the car it was designed for), but at least I can pick them out of a lineup:)

MIKE-P-28 05-06-13 11:38 PM


Originally Posted by j9fd3s (Post 11460376)

well i know my 84-85's have had drain plugs and my 82 doesn't... also i think the 84-85's have a bolt on fuel pipe setup, and the 81-83 the pipes are welded/brazed on the tank.

I have a tank from an 83 sitting here along with one from a 85. Exactly what he said. Same exact dimensions. Both tanks are fundamentally junk. The 85 is 'almost' save-able :) but I'm sure there's got to be something from a different car that will fit in a 34 wide 24 front to back and 8.5 deep in there. I know several are close but I'm going to have to start researching again and find something. I'm NOT paying $500 for a gas tank. That's crazy!

74RX4 05-07-13 07:21 AM

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83 tank will not bolt into an 84-85 car. You might be able to make it work, but the top of the tanks and the placement of the spare tire well are different between these years. I believe 81-83 are the same, but I haven't verified that in person. There is a thread with pictures that I posted of the difference in the car chassis. I'll see if I can find it. The link has more pictures of 83 and 84/85 tanks. You can see the difference in the width of tank tops and the removable pickup plate J9 mentioned.
83 GSL and 84 GSL-SE Fuel Tanks

84 SE left, 83 GSL right
https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1367928649

74RX4 05-07-13 07:43 AM

Here's a couple threads where this was discussed.
https://www.rx7club.com/1st-generati...y-late-961990/
https://www.rx7club.com/1st-generati...s-tank-628743/

82transam 05-07-13 08:27 AM

^Thanks. I was having a hard time finding that thread (was in a rush) yesterday when I posted. :)

dream36realms 05-09-13 08:56 AM

the frame rails are wider on the FB compared to the SA22C by about 2" I discovered this when building my last car. The fuel tanks from the SA22C are smaller and can be swapped to the FB but a FB tank can not fit a SA. This is due to the full sized spare the SA22C came with vs donut of the FB.

jaman 06-15-13 11:33 AM

Anybody know whether using a tank from a gsl-le in a gsl-se is okay?

elwood 06-15-13 03:50 PM

I don't know what a GSL-LE is. In '84 - '85 cars, the tanks are similar, but the GSL-SE version has a cup in the bottom that's supposed to prevent fuel starvation. If you use the non -SE tank, I imagine you'll have more issues with hiccups in fuel supply at low tank levels. Injected cars don't have the natural fuel reservoir of a carburetor float bowl.

peejay 06-15-13 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by elwood (Post 11496509)
I don't know what a GSL-LE is. In '84 - '85 cars, the tanks are similar, but the GSL-SE version has a cup in the bottom that's supposed to prevent fuel starvation. If you use the non -SE tank, I imagine you'll have more issues with hiccups in fuel supply at low tank levels. Injected cars don't have the natural fuel reservoir of a carburetor float bowl.

I can tell you directly. On the street, you notice it starting at about 1/8 tank, starting with lefthand turns. The longer and harder the turn, the earlier you notice it. Hiccup followed by a few seconds of low fuel pressure.

On the rallycross course, I was running into starvation with half tank :icon_no2: Good thing N/A rotaries are so tolerant of lean mixtures.

I think I found room under the car for a roughly one liter surge tank and a second pump to fill the surge tank that feeds the main pump, but it's going to look like a thick bramble of plumbing under there when I'm done. A liter *should* be enough to keep my engine fed for about half a minute to 45 seconds even if the fill pump is sucking air the whole time AND I'm running at peak flow. So it should be overkill enough. (And the fill pump flows ~2200cc minute, and the engine return also goes to the reservoir, so we're good there too)

pinoyremix 06-15-13 06:51 PM

About 4 yrs ago I did a gslse fuel tank and hard line swap into my 83 S with the help from slammed gsl

ArmyOfOne 06-15-13 11:25 PM

Where's that info for swapping the S4 pump hanger and cup to the SE tank?

elwood 06-16-13 08:40 AM

If you're looking to avoid fuel slosh and starvation, a surge tank is the ultimate solution, as peejay mentioned. If you're interested in that route, I developed an in-tank version which eliminates a lot of plumbing and associated issues --> https://www.rx7club.com/build-thread...a-fbs-1035921/

PM me if interested.

tiffani2ut 10-14-16 02:13 PM

1979 Mazda fuel tank
 
Does anyone know where I can get a fuel tank for my 1979 rx7, it is in the shop and they said that it is rusted on top too badly to repair?

KansasCityREPU 10-14-16 03:49 PM

You'll need ti find a used one. Put a Want To Buy in the classified.

tommyeflight89 10-19-16 06:52 PM

Does anybody have a closeup picture of the tank flange for the sending unit?

My tank in my 82 FB had been removed and refurbished, it is very nice inside and out....

But I have yet to successfully fix the leak at the sending unit. The flange looks ok, I have gone through 3 OEM gaskets with various levels of tightening the philips screws and can't make a good seal.

Wondering if the flange got modified somehow when the refurbished the tank...

Jrannals 06-11-17 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by flight_of_pain (Post 11459646)
79-80 is different on top due to the spare tire well, 81-85 non -se is fundamentally the same and will swap no problem. The -se tank has larger lines, and the pitiful slosh cup.

Are you just replacing a bad tank, or do you have some performance goals? The s4 pump hanger and slosh cup go really nicely into an 81-85 tank.

https://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g...n/IMG_2233.jpg


Isaac

what price are you looking for?

jessypedraza 03-31-21 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by flight_of_pain (Post 11459646)
79-80 is different on top due to the spare tire well, 81-85 non -se is fundamentally the same and will swap no problem. The -se tank has larger lines, and the pitiful slosh cup.

Are you just replacing a bad tank, or do you have some performance goals? The s4 pump hanger and slosh cup go really nicely into an 81-85 tank.

Attachment 673069


Isaac

hi this fuel tank is available


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