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7aull 03-30-10 03:16 AM

:D
-Don't forget to remove the SHIFT LEVER!...
-recommend you take a PIC of how wires connect to STARTER. Very handy reference....
-Use the OLD pilot bearing carrier to guide in the NEW bearing (with gentle help from rubber hammer)!

LOVE the WD-40 capo idea - thanks!

Stu Aull
80GS
Alaska

Kentetsu 03-30-10 05:54 AM

To insert the pilot bearing and seal, I used a 14mm socket on a short extension and hammered it in. The fit was perfect. I had thought about using the old bearing to drive the new one in, but the socket and extension was a bit easier to handle. :)

food7373 03-30-10 05:59 AM

I will remember to take a picture of all the wiring to the starter, I haven't thought of that. Thanks. And I will probably have to go with the 14mm socket extension to drive back in the seal and pilot bearing. Seems to be the easier way. Thanks for the tips.

ray green 03-30-10 07:32 AM

While you are under there it's a great time to do some degreasing, especially around the starter, where oil from the behive has a habit of ending up. The grease and oil is hard on the starter connections and other wires and hoses in that area, plus it's just hard to work with.

So I usually start by drenching the area with engine degreaser (the cheap stuff from autozone) and then hosing it down really well (no pressure washers allowed!). A hot soapy wash and good rinse will leave the area virtually grease free, much easier to work on and easier on the eye.

mikeric 03-30-10 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by food7373 (Post 9902286)
I will remember to take a picture of all the wiring to the starter, I haven't thought of that. Thanks. And I will probably have to go with the 14mm socket extension to drive back in the seal and pilot bearing. Seems to be the easier way. Thanks for the tips.

Why diconnect the starter? Obviously dissconnect the battery, then hang the starter with zip-ties underneath the car. It will save you some time messing with connections.

mazdaverx713b 03-30-10 08:49 AM

without pics, here's how i remove an FB trans:

-remove the shifter surround and remove the three bolts holding the shifter to the trans.(3 10 mm bolts)
-disconnect the battery
-disconnect the clutch hose from the hard line, as there is no need to waste time or energy removing the slave cylinder from the trans. its a good time to bleed the system anyways (10 mm flare wrench)
-remove the top trans bolts (trans bolts are 14mm)
-jack the car up and remove the exhaust from the manifold to the extention pipe (four nuts)
-remove the filler plug..just to be on the safe side then drain the trans. (14mm open end wrench)
-disconnect the power feed to the starter and the switch wire from the starter solenoid and remove the starter (one long and one short bolt. both 14mm)
-remove the driveshaft (four 12mm nuts and tap the bolts through the flange. a mallet may be needed if the driveshaft flange is rusted to the diff flange)
-disconnect the wiring for the reverse light switch and 5th gear switch (GSL-SE)
-remove the speedometer cable from the trans
-support the trans and remove all remaining trans to engine bolts (14mm. 5 total bolts), remove the two long 14mm bolts the trans crossmember to body and wiggle trans down and use your own method here. i take the trans down of a floor jack if i'm not using a lift.

when the trans is down and you are replacing the clutch, its a goot time to clean out the bell housing and replace the trans mount. its also wise to clean the connections on the reverse light switch and replace the tail shaft seal with a new seal. you may also want to clean the sleeve that the throwout bearing rides on and regrease that area as well. if you want to go all out, replace the front trans seal qas well to avoid future trans leak issues. i also like to grease the input shaft where the pilot bearing rides it also helps slide the sucker back together. i'm not sure if i have any pics handy as of yet but as soon as i can i'll post the pics.

mazdaverx713b 03-30-10 08:57 AM

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pic of the underbody for prep and reference:

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pic of what you will see when the trans is down:

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trans side view:

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pic of the trans mounting setup:

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food7373 03-30-10 11:30 AM

I'm thinking that I'm only going to replace the pilot bearing right now, because that is all that needs to be replaced, and money is a little bit short for me at the moment. Thanks a lot for those steps and picture though, they will really help out. I will probably also just take out the starter and slave cylinder, since they are fairly easy parts to remove, and I don't want to damage them at all. Is the the whole clutch assembly fairly easy to remove? It seems like it would be, and what fluid brand would you guys recommend for the transmission?

food7373 03-30-10 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by ray green (Post 9902339)
While you are under there it's a great time to do some degreasing, especially around the starter, where oil from the behive has a habit of ending up. The grease and oil is hard on the starter connections and other wires and hoses in that area, plus it's just hard to work with.

So I usually start by drenching the area with engine degreaser (the cheap stuff from autozone) and then hosing it down really well (no pressure washers allowed!). A hot soapy wash and good rinse will leave the area virtually grease free, much easier to work on and easier on the eye.

I will definitely clean out around there while I'm down there, thanks for the tip.

food7373 03-30-10 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by mikeric (Post 9902347)
Why diconnect the starter? Obviously dissconnect the battery, then hang the starter with zip-ties underneath the car. It will save you some time messing with connections.

It's not too hard to disconnect it, usually takes about 5 minutes, and I don't want to risk damaging it.

food7373 03-30-10 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by mazdaverx713b (Post 9902438)
pic of the underbody for prep and reference:

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...7/DSC07246.jpg

That underneath looks different than mine. My exhaust piping doesn't look like that, I will take some pictures when I put the rex up on ramps tomorrow.

mazdaverx713b 03-30-10 12:44 PM

that exhaust is 100% oem bone stock except for the main converter, which was replaced before i aquired the car. this is a car i converted form auto to manual and you may notice the different trans mount and mounting plate. also, trust me, its much eaiser to remove the clutch hose from the hard line at the firewall than to remove the entire slave cylinder from the bellhousing.

food7373 03-30-10 02:20 PM

Alright, I will disconnect the hardline instead of the slave, since you insist it's a lot easier. :) What fluid brand do you recommend for the transmission?

mazdaverx713b 03-30-10 02:45 PM

i use redline 75W90. some like the stuff others do not. thats opening a whole new can of worms. if i'm on a budget i like to use napa brand 80W90.

j9fd3s 03-30-10 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by mazdaverx713b (Post 9903250)
i use redline 75W90. some like the stuff others do not. thats opening a whole new can of worms. if i'm on a budget i like to use napa brand 80W90.

lol, can of worms is right!

redline is nice if you're spendy, if you're cheap 50/50 atf and normal gear oil is great too

food7373 03-30-10 03:50 PM

Okay, I will grab some 80w90 when I go to pick up the bearing. Thanks for your help guys.

food7373 03-30-10 07:52 PM

One last question, once the trans is down and out of the way, is the clutch pretty easy to take out to get to the pilot bearing? Or is there some tips and things I should know when removing the clutch?

orion84gsl 03-30-10 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by Kentetsu (Post 9902114)
Why would you have to remove part of your exhaust system? Mine is nowhere near interfering with the removal/installation of the tranny.

And you did your clutch R&R in an afternoon? Showoff! I'm coming up on 4 months to do mine! :)

The RB dual center section is too wide to get the driveshaft around it. I tried, but it just wouldn't come out without removing the exhaust.

That particular time was after removing and replacing the trans 3 times before, so I pretty much had the process down to a science. I did it in a friends driveway and his tenant was baffled that I knew how to do it. I laughed and said, while your learning shit in school, I'm learning shit about this car.

food7373 03-31-10 05:52 AM

Hahahaha. ^

mazdaverx713b 03-31-10 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by food7373 (Post 9904058)
One last question, once the trans is down and out of the way, is the clutch pretty easy to take out to get to the pilot bearing? Or is there some tips and things I should know when removing the clutch?

the clutch is held in place by six bolts. you may need to pry a lttle on the pressure plate's lip to get it off of the dowel pins on the flywheel once that comes off the disc will be ready to fall right off so be ready to have that sucker come off with the pressure plate.

the pilot bearing requires a special removal tool made by mazda. i have heard of others using non mazda tools for the job but wheni tried i failed miserably and bought the mazda puller. one of the best investments i have ever made:

Attachment 711566

food7373 03-31-10 10:50 AM

I've read a lot that it is very hard to remove a pilot bearing. Since I am a little tight on funds, I am going to put wet paper in the hole and hammer in there. It will act like a hydraulic system, forcing the bearing out. If I had the money though, I would buy the bearing removal tool.

rxtasy3 03-31-10 12:50 PM

actually i've used grease to do that. but the last pilot i replaced i doubt that method would have worked. i ended up renting a puller and slide hammer(yes have to get both) from either advanced or autozone. they charge u the cost of the tool and get it back when u return the tool making it free to rent in the end.

food7373 03-31-10 05:16 PM

So, I started the procedure tonight and when I drained the tranny, there were about 3 very very very small pieces of metal that were at the drain hole, I felt inside to make sure there wasn't anymore and there wasn't. I will show the pics then, but is that a big problem, or not really? I also drained the rear diff fluid, and what do you guys recommend for rear diff fluid? I will post pictures in about an hour (I'm still working). Thanks for the help.

food7373 03-31-10 07:17 PM

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Well here is what happened today,

Put her up on ramps, it was a little close in the front.
https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1270080444

Then there were the small metal pieces from draining the trans fluid,
https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1270080544

Removed the shift linkage,
https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1270080631

Disconnected driveshaft, broken speedo cable, and drained rear diff fluid.
https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1270080764

Disconnected starter,
https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1270080886

and then finally took out the cluster,
https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1270080984

food7373 03-31-10 07:26 PM

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It was quite a tough day for me and rex, but I did get some other things done,

washed the daily driver,
https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1270081142

I was able to work a little on a side project of mine,
https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1270081242

Here's the man of the hour, and my best friend of the day.
https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1270081314

What model Holley fuel pump is this?
https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1270081410

Cat or no cat?
https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1270081475

And then we ended our day, on a good note with eachother, in the sunset...
https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1270081535


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