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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 11:19 AM
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Can someone help me out with this (pictures)

Ok I have a problem, it smells like burnt fuel, and i dont know exactly what it is. I just noticed it this morning before i went to work. It seems i have a hose or pump leaking and i dont know what type of fluid, or how to repair it. I managed to take pictures with my cell phone so the quality isnt as great, nor bright. But i highlighted the portions where its affected, and the hose. Here are the pics Thanks in advance!

1. As you can see here, this is the pump that i am emphasizing. It leads down right under the steering rack (i think)


2.Heres a second picture at an angle so you can imagine where exactly it leads to.


3.Heres where it connects. Or so it seems, and its covered with liquid, or fluids. The hose is shown by using an arrow. That is the hose that is in the 1st picture.


4. This isnt a great picture, but again its to show you where its located. You can see it circled


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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 11:28 AM
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looks like your fuel filter. maybe someone else can give a second opinion
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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 11:28 AM
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That is the line from your fuel pump and that black canister is your fuel filter. Replace the line with sae specification fuel INJECTION hose. There is a difference between this and regular fuel hose; one will hold under pressure and one won't. You can buy FI hose at any parts store.

Additionally, those style of hose clamps on the leaking line are crappy. Try to find a set of clamps like the ones on the fuel return line, which is the line next to it. The spring style hose clamps apply the right amount of pressure without crushing the hose. It is easy to crush the hose with the cheapo style clamps
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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 11:32 AM
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i see i see... thanks you 2, so is this fix pricey? i would want to get quality parts since you mentioned that these things are sensitive. any recommendations besides your local autoshop? Does mazdatrix have these? im so sorry but i would like to know the exact clamp your talkin about. You think you can grab pictures of both parts? thank you so very much.
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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 11:36 AM
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so would this be my fuel filter you speak of?

http://www.mazdatrix.com/c-1.htm

you might have to scroll down to see it. (86-92)
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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 11:38 AM
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disregard my previous entry. So what is it that i should purchase? Pump, Filter, and hose? or filter and hose.
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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 11:38 AM
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umm i think like 50-60 bucks for hose and filter.
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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 11:54 AM
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The hose is expensive because you need the high pressure rated hose (IMPORTANT: HIGH PRESSURE). Replace all your fuel lines if you haven't already. $30 to replace them is better than $1000 to fix an engine fire.

I think I got my fuel filter at Autozone. I don't see why one there would be worse than the one Mazdatrix sells.
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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 11:55 AM
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what do you mean high pressure. can you give me a price range? and what type of clamps should i use?

so what should i purchase? hose and filter?
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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by lchaidez
what do you mean high pressure. can you give me a range? and what type of clamps should i use?
Use the spring type/fuel line clamps (not the screw ones). In your first picture, look at the line to the right of what you circled. It has a spring type on it.

There's 2 types of fuel line that I know of. Low pressure (carbed) and high pressure (fuel injected). The high pressure is rated at something like 60psi. They'll know the difference.

Definately get the hose, if for anything, on general purposes that it should be replaced regularly. I'd say the same for the fuel filter.

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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 11:57 AM
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how many lines is there? is the one im showing you in the pics the lines? or is there more? you say 30 bucks replaces all lines? or per line, im sorry so many questions.
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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by lchaidez
how many lines is there? is the one im showing you in the pics the lines? or is there more? you say 30 bucks replaces all lines? or per line, im sorry so many questions.
There's a few fuel lines. Let's see.... in your case...

Fuel filter ---> hard line (circled in the first picture)
Hard line ---> Primary fuel rail
Primary rail ---> secondary rail
Secondary Rail --> hard line
Hard line --> fuel return line

I think that's right. I don't have the hard lines anymore, so it might be a bit off. FSM 4A should have a good diagram somewhere in it.

It's $30 total (high estimate). IIRC, it runs about $2/foot. Take what you have on there off, take it to Autozone, and just match the lengths (leaving some extra room for mess ups).
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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 12:04 PM
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I should clarify those last few posts. That might not fix your problem of having fluid on things. But, I would still recommend doing it because it's a scheduled maintenance type thing.

Thinking about it, I don't see how fuel would/could get on top of the fuel filter. Can you see a leak anywhere in your clutch system (master cylinder)?

Edit: That doesn't really explain picture 1... but oh well...
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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 12:10 PM
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the FI hose is usually sold in feet at the auto store. You will have a short length of hose from under the car into the filter, then another length of hose from the filter to the rack on top of the engine( in your first pic).
If you have another vehicle to use, just cut a peice of the hose from your car and bring it to the autostore to match it. Make sure to state you want fuel injection hose, and nothing else. You will need to lift the car up to get to replace the fuel line that is under the car and its easier( I think) to get to the filter.

The fuel filter is held down with 10mm nuts if I remember right.
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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by kungfuroy
the FI hose is usually sold in feet at the auto store. You will have a short length of hose from under the car into the filter, then another length of hose from the filter to the rack on top of the engine( in your first pic).
If you have another vehicle to use, just cut a peice of the hose from your car and bring it to the autostore to match it. Make sure to state you want fuel injection hose, and nothing else. You will need to lift the car up to get to replace the fuel line that is under the car and its easier( I think) to get to the filter.

The fuel filter is held down with 10mm nuts if I remember right.
For the filter, I jacked the car up and had to do one side through the engine bay and the other from under the car.
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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 12:15 PM
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at the moment im not able to get a close look in my car, although i will be able to in about 3 hours. or so.

i appreciate your input, and will take your advice in replacing those lines you mentioned. Also, going back to my case i dont know exactly where the clutch system is at. I know its right in the area but my pictures dont have a good exposure of that. So when i get home ill take more pictures (clearer ones) and maybe you or someone else can help me find the source of this leak. Although the first picture shows that its leakin at the very top. maybe it just sludged its way down? but thanks again! really.
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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 12:20 PM
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FSM 6 has all the info you'll ever need on the clutch system.

FSM 4A, pages 6, 66-76 should help for the fuel lines.

The FSM, if you don't have it, can be found through the link in my sig.
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