Big88chevy

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hey 25xp, if ur doing the speedway bar ill buy ur st bars!

gracer7-rx7

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do drop spindles help in this situation?

Josh18_2k

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do drop spindles exist? if so, then yes. the problem is the sway bar mounting location on the control arm get crazy high with respect to the bar mounts, so the bar rate is progressive, and binding the endlinks is an issue.

doing some kind of roll center kit will definately help. im still halfway done lol, havnt had time to do anything productive lately.

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I have seen Mazdatrix build and the bars on that car, nice install.
Here is another pic I have of the way the bar mounts on the upper rails. A bit more clearance in the holes, but a good look at how it mounts.
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I recognize those legs! They belong to my brother in law

FWIW- That is a smaller Speedway Bar (1"?). We picked up a bunch of suspension stuff from an aborted EP project and that was the bar we got. Eventually we will get the thicker bar after we get the car sorted

eage8

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Getting shorter end links would probably also help. a less extreme version of the mounting them under the arm idea.

Tony from AWR said he's finished with his roll center kit, he's going to email me the details today.

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Thats great! Tony knows his stuff, so maybe he can come up with a good solution. Keep up posted on what you hear...
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Josh18_2k

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yes please post up about that! curious if its anything like mine lol

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I pulled the new fuel system out from in/under the car to prep for painting. I decided to POR15 the underside of the car, as it was nasty and I simply couldn't put this killer fuel system back without some paint.

Here is a couple pics of the finished fuel system I will be running. The hardlines run up to the engine bay, and there are pics of it previously.

There are a lot of fittings to assure no leaks!

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My new "storage bins".

I am no welder by any means, I know this and accept it, but the panels are secure and serve the purpose.

I will repaint the inside of the car shortly. After making the new bins, and removing the passenger seat mounts and rear speaker towers it needs some new paint.

There is a shot of the underside of the new bin, I POR15 the new panel, this is was the first coat, but it gives you a good idea of that the underside of the car will look like when I finish.

I had thought about POR15 the inside of the car with the gray that they have, but I really like the matching Artic siliver interior/exterior so I think it will stay.

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eage8

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Tony finally sent me some pictures:





He didn't send me any pictures of the tie rods. But did say that they'd use a heim rod end. and that you'd need to re-thread your inner tie rod to 1/2" x 20

cone_crushr

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Excellent pics eage8. Amazing that anyone is still developing suspension parts for a 22year old car. Did Tony mention how much the ball stud geometry changed from stock?

eage8

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it looks to me like it's spaced down about an inch. so it should put the geometry back to where it was if if you were about an inch higher lol. You can't really say more than that because the geometry is dependent on ride height.

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The products look very nice, I am wondering how high the ball joint is compared to a stock unit. Swapping the stock S4 ball joint mount from the bottom of the LCA to the top looks like it could produce similar effects. If you look at Mazdatrix build (website) of the racecar on the lift, you can see that they mounted the ball joint above the LCA. I am wondering what the roll center would be simply changing from bottom to top on the LCA. Then what the differences are that AWR's kit produce.

Lastly, what are the prices of AWR's kit.
Thanks for the info.
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BLUE TII

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Swapping the ball joint to the top of the arm will not help with the roll center (though I have done it).

The roll center geometry is set by forming and angle using a line perpendicular to the strut angle at the pillow ball/bushing located on top of the strut and a line between the ball joint and lower arms bushing center. Now draw a line from that intersection to the contact patch and the roll center will be along that line where it meets the vehicle center line.



I believe what swapping the ball joint can do is regain a little downward angle of the arm from the chassis to the end link so that on initial compression the arm moves to parallel to the ground and the end link is now at the furthest point from the chassis in its arc so gaining a tiny bit of negative camber (just before losing it as the arc continues).

BLUE TII

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Ah, Sport Compact Car says as long as the angle between the strut axis and the lower arm is less than 90 deg you will gain negative camber on compression. Again, we need the roll center kit.

eage8

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yeah, moving the stock ball joint around doesn't do anything. Many people intuitively go down that path with poor results.

Mainly because the actual imaginary arm is a line that goes from the pivot through the center of the ball joint. you can move the mount all you want, but the ball join is still going to be right underneath the knuckle where it's always been. If anything you're just changing the length of that arm slightly.

The price is about $400 for the roll center kit (ball joint) and $200 for the bump steer correction (tie rods) which is about the same as I paid for a very similar kit on my corolla.

I just wish he spaced it down a little more... but he might have run into problems running into the brake discs or something.

eage8

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I asked tony why he didn't space it down further and he said if to goes down any further you run into issues with hitting the brake rotor.

Infidel

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Damn those ball joints were EXACTLY what i had planned to make myself as soon as i get my hands on a lathe to make the ball joint pins. I can only find tapered pins in aftermarket applications, and really didn't want weld and taper out the ball joint hole on the spindle.

ALso agree on placing the joint above does nothing since the pivots are exactly the same, all that is being done is lowering the control arm closer to the ground.

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Great info about AWR's new products, THANKS.

My doors were already trimmed down and had the supports removed. In my quest to get the cars weight down to the bare minimum. I removed the aluminum panel covers and trimmed the doors down to the bare minimum. I still have the ablility to mount the lexan side windows for towing and bad weather. I will figure how I want to open the doors from the inside, something simple.


Also you can all the extra tabs and brackets removed from the front the dash.


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I am looking for some clarification on a S4 power steering rack spline size. The spline on the shaft shown in the picture on the right. That shaft is from the PS rack to the steering column.
I measured it and I thought it was 5/8- 36 spline. I ordered a steering joint in that size and it does not fit.
Stamped on the new steering joint it states: 625/36. The package states: 5/8- 36 spline, so I assume it is packaged correctly. Also before anyone states it, yes I know the other end of the joint in the picture is 3/4- 36.
That being said, does anyone know what the factory spline is if not 5/8- 36.

Thanks,
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I found the answer, it seems that Miata's also carry the same spline count.

.625-23/36 appears to be the correct spline. It has 13 teeth removed, hence the 625-23. 13 teeth less than 36 and you get your 23. I assume it is for clocking the joints. Mazda can't make it simple, can they...

In the end, I think I found the solution to my problem, it is just going to take some more parts.
Hope it helps,
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j9fd3s

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my Triumph has a pull cable to open the door. its attached to the door at the front, and the latch at the rear, pull the cable, door opens, its super simple.

Travis R

Here's what i did. Just push down on the horizontal part and it pops open. Not sure if it'll work with the outside latch still in place though. Made from 1/8" aluminum strip.

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Travis,
That looks great, simple and easy. I probably will do something similar.
Although I am shaving as much weight from the car, I can not give up locking the door and keeping the outside handle.

Thanks for the picture, idea.
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