Hey Jesse, how are you feeling? Still pretty sick?

 

That's a sweet sig you got there Jesse!

 

im feelin better...... still not 100%, but im on the downhill stretch now thanks for askin

yeah, the sig is awesome... my little bro made it... its a 63 frame animation.. all the pics are of my car, he just used diffrerent angles to do that.. i love it

 

Jesse I was hoping you would have been at the meet so we could fill out some DMV transfer of title paper. My school is right by your work and I get out at 12.00. If you are there that early than maybe I can drop in.

 

That's the best signature I've ever seen. Very cool.

 

CSM: It's meant to be a nearly wide open class. Used to be regional 'Street Mod' until National made a class with that name, so we switched to California Street Mod. Real restriction is 'Capable of being licensed', which is pretty vague, but seems to be holding up to any scrutiny. An important part to me though is DOT tires, as slicks couldn't be licensed.

so far it seems as it is the ultamate catch all as long as your on DOT tires.



a real CSM car.




Here is the question I asked the experts.

I read the rules for CSM and they are very vague

CALIFORNIA STREET MODIFIED (CSM)
Vehicles eligible for CSM must be capable of being licensed for street use in
California, shall be run on DOT approved tires and must meet all SCCA
Solo2 Safety requirements.


reading this makes me think one of two things.

1) the car NEEDS to be in a condition that if a DMV officer (or highway patrol officer) were to pull you over there would be nothing about it that is illigal. no headers that are not CARB legal, no intakes that are not CARB legal, no porting, nada.

2) or it makes me think as long as you some way some how got it registered, you can race it. meaning you fudged the smog check, and if you were to get pulled over you can get busted for that sweet non CARB legal intake or ported head......


which way does CSM allow. super strict, or almost a "run what you brung" (assuming you have registration in the glove box).

 

one response to my post so far, he said its a run waht ya brung kinda class. very open catch all class.

both of you would fit nicley in it. of course as I have said many many times, you will get killed should anyone bring a REAL CSM car, but here locally you will have a blast!

I know Jesse said he liked it when he ran that night race

 

I'll have to take a closer look at the classes on the 9th. However, in regards to CSM, I do have lots of very non-DOT/ CARB stuff that could **** some people off.

 

we are talking about that now. the CSM rules are extreamly vague. it is supposed to be a catch all class. but the....... you know what, here.... this will make it easier.

here is what has been going on in the solo2 thread regaurding CSM:


me:
sorry for bringing a dead post back to life.

I read the rules for CSM and they are very vague

CALIFORNIA STREET MODIFIED (CSM)
Vehicles eligible for CSM must be capable of being licensed for street use in
California, shall be run on DOT approved tires and must meet all SCCA
Solo2 Safety requirements.


reading this makes me think one of two things.

1) the car NEEDS to be in a condition that if a DMV officer (or highway patrol officer) were to pull you over there would be nothing about it that is illigal. no headers that are not CARB legal, no intakes that are not CARB legal, no porting, nada.

2) or it makes me think as long as you some way some how got it registered, you can race it. meaning you fudged the smog check, and if you were to get pulled over you can get busted for that sweet non CARB legal intake or ported head......


which way does CSM allow. super strict, or almost a "run what you brung" (assuming you have registration in the glove box).






Marshal:
nah, all that smog legal crap is in ST. CSM is run what you brung. Just no mod cars.





KJ:
Interesting though that we seem to have two 'capable' standards:

For tires - must be DOT, because you can't register without it.
For everything else - it is assumed that you are "capable" of finding someone to give you a CA registration






Marshal:
the dot tires is a seperate requirement from 'street legal-ness' just like the solo safety rules have no bearing on street legal-ness.

per the sups "Vehicles eligible for CSM must be capable of being licensed for street use in
California, shall be run on DOT approved tires and must meet all SCCA Solo2
Safety requirements







Me:
yeah I have ready that over and over again..... i still think it can be take either way.

if you take it litteral "must be capable of being licensed for street use in
California" means NOTHING can be done that would cause it to not be licensed in california.

to be licensed in california you need to be able to pass smog. to pass smog you can not have ANYTHING done to the ca that is not CARB legal.

which would make this a stock class with open rules minus power stuff. any shocks, any springs, and body mods, anything..... as long as it does not affect that smogability.

I am not trying to start anything here.... it does not even effct me as I run CSP and don't plan to move. I just wanted to know what class all of my friends could run in so they can run together. and it looks like it is CSM..... but then I started to wonder what REALLY fit into CSM as the rules (to me) are VERY unclear. dont mind me, i am just a guy with to much time on his hands.





thats it so far..... again, it is supposed to be a catch all... I just htink they need to change the way they word their rules.

 

There are many power adders that are CARB legal, i.e. turbos, superchargers,cams, and headers, that a car could have that would ban it from SP and keep them from choosing SM2/SM in which power mods are wide open and unregulated. It seems like CSM was created for cars with legal power adders and it should be that way. Cars running un-CARB mods should not be allowed IMO. Maybe it's called "California" SM because of our smog ****'s and rewards people who DD his/her autoX car and obeys the law.

Also, in regards to the SM class I like the idea of my competition. All Porchses have been banned and all cars must have four seats from factory. It leaves me against Neons, Camaro's, Mustangs, Tiburons, Hondas(minus the CRX), Acuras, supras, etc. I think The Starion stacks up pretty well against these cars and makes sense that they are my competition. I just need to go over to Solo to find out is AWD cars are excluded. I hope they are!
Damon

 

I dont think they are. bcause I THINK Evo's are SM as well...... that would be hard to beat.

here is more info on the CSM thing:

Need to go back to this from the 2003 supp regs:

CALIFORNIA STREET MODIFIED (CSM)
Any car which complies with Street Prepared Catagory Rules, with the following
exceptions/allowances:
(1) Engines and drive trains are un restricted - including engine swaps, air induction,
carburetion/fuel injection, transmissions, drive shafts, and rear
ends/axles/differentials.
(2) Suspension is un restricted - Any modification is allowed.
(3) Electrical system - Must have operational tail lights, brake lights, headlights, wipers
and turn signals. Instrumentation is
unrestricted.
(4) Bodywork:
(a) Body panels (including hoods, fenders & trunk lids), may be substituted with
panels of alternate materials.
(b) Hood scoops are allowed.
(c) Spoilers and/or wings are unrestricted.
(d) Must have a minimum of two seats. (rear seats may be removed)

As you can see it never said it had not be licensed in California. Where the current wording came from I don't know. It's not in the minutes.




info on the practice and race are up

Practice: http://www.solo2.com/eventpage.asp?eid={0F0AC3BD-BC15-4EBB-A16C-000EE649B828}


Race: http://www.solo2.com/eventpage.asp?eid={AD73C285-6CBD-4704-B559-8E91C1D75615}

(unless they change it, which they might) I run first thing in the morning and wrk right after that.... seet, should be an early day. get there about 7:15 or so and should be outa there by 11:00ish.





also, sory everyone for turning this into an auto cross thread, I am sure it will die down very soon and th normal nonsence will resume.




EDIT: Ok I see Damon is on the solo2 forum now. i will stop pasting everythign here. I am surethere will be solo talk for a bit, but at least it should die down now.

 

so, how bout those monthly meets on the second saturday of the month in San Bernardino... pretty neat huh?

 

hahahahahaha........ they are slowly dwindling down maybe we should set up a "christmas run" to bolsa chica beach, and barbecue on the beach and have a good time.... we could leave at like 1-2 pm, and hang out at the beach all day..... or sooner...maybe second week of november, since it will be warmer........



so who's down for a meet to the beach and bbq?

 

I vote for nov.

 

Hey Jason so what did you decide? I think if you go with a header it will still be really hard to past the visual even with the factory heat shield. I am not a big fan of the racing beat ones, they look sort of whimpy. If you like the more aggresive look like the catback that is on my convertible, then I would suggest the greddy catback for the fc3s. There is a mazda place in texas that is blowing out there last stock on hand of them. I will try to find their link for you. I 2nd Rob's vote, Nov sounds good .

Found it! http://www.rx7.com/store/rx7/GReddyFCPowerExtreme.html

 

I'm in for sure.

I think if I had a heatshield the header would be invisible. I also think the Greddy catback might be a bit too loud with the straight through mufflers unfortunately. I am a ways out from getting a catback anyways.

 

Good luck on getting that greddy exhaust, i tried for months to find one, the only one I EVER saw was used and the guy wanted $900

 

They're on sale new for $800 at http://www.rx7.com/store/rx7/fcexhaust.html right now, but holy cow thats a lot of money for a catback.

 

yyyeeeaaa, i seem to remember some kind of mix up with that. Like, you get all the way through checkout and then they tell you they dont have it. My buddy Leon tried to buy one last year. Idk, maybe they actually have some in stock now.

 

Holy smokes that is alot of money for an exhaust. I still feel RB FTW. They sound awesome at the track IMO. I remember hearing an NA with the RB set-up come down the strait away and it made the sweetest tone. Just have the headers ceramic/ heat coated black and it will look stock and help lower under hood temps. Use the presilencer and bolt in the cat for the every 2-4 year smog inspection. Just my $.02
Damon

 

I would go with a presilencer, but I don't want to pollute any more than I have to. Also, I won't have to worry about legality issues if I ever get pulled over and the cop checks out my car. I eventually will go with a Racing Beat catback over their full exhaust systems simply due to that presilencer issue.

 

Check out the new Autocros thread here on the RX7club

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...50#post8642750

 

Where's Bolsa Chica Beach? Or is that Spanish for "really hot ladies hang out here beach"?
Damon

 

Bolsa Chica is a bit south of Hunington I believe. Chica obviously means girl in Spanish. Bolsa means bimbo. So translation = bimbo girl beach.

 

bolsa chica is in huntington beach.... right next to sunset beach and huntington "beach"..... they have tons of fire pits there, and alot of parking right on da beech mon'


ok.. what does everyone think about november 15th?? its technically the 3rd saturday of the month