Who has the highest horsepower NA 6-port?
Originally Posted by riceburner1r2001
(Post 11462420)
u should check out the headers from rotaryshack, proven hp, over the others by far
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Originally Posted by TENAZ
(Post 11464963)
No thanks those are Chinese cheap imitation stuff.:icon_tdow
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Originally Posted by Shredduuhh
(Post 11469415)
defiantly not china crap! you are misinformed as usual.. they are made locally to order per customers specs.. took 2 weeks to get mine made and i picked up almost 22 rwhp! awesome product
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Who has the highest horsepower NA 6-port
Originally Posted by Shredduuhh
(Post 11469415)
defiantly not china crap! you are misinformed as usual.. they are made locally to order per customers specs.. took 2 weeks to get mine made and i picked up almost 22 rwhp! awesome product
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Well Still need to dyno mine, but I have a 6-port 87 NA with about 106,000 miles right now... When It was stock it was OK in acceleration and little to no low rpm throttle response or torque... With Headers, FULLY open straight pipes with no cats or resonators or mufflers just pipes from the header back and some tips, K&N Filter and just your normal oil changes and taking care of the car like a baby, it is a BEAST now!!! I have driven many cars and this car is NOT slow by any means.... The exhaust is not some exhaust from a website or some chrome stuff, it was designed by me and a exhaust shop and the headers were created from a header flange. I also removed the 02 sensor (SAME gas mileage so it probably has not worked in a while). But yea BIG BIG BIG difference in every way.. I have GREAT throttle response in the low end now... 2000 rpms and up it responds well! 4000 rpms it takes off like a rocket!! My Buddy has a S5 rx7 with paperwork stating a rebuild and We were neck and neck with his exhaust open almost like mine, he literally didnt pass me an inch and I swear by the end of 3rd gear I was pulling a little.. Maybe because My K&N filter idk..... This was before the headers that I have now.... My other buddy has a S5 Turbo II (Either S4 or S5 I dont remember) and well we went for a ride in his car and he was only getting 4 psi boost (yes it needs work), But yea it was SLOW!!! I was like omg this is what a turbo II does..... did not feel much faster than my NA if any faster..... Maybe severe issues i dont know.... That was my first ride in a turbo II with full exhaust and intake and boost controllers and bla bla and it was TOTALLY disappointing.....
But yea thats my 2 cents... K&N Filter, remove the ENTIRE stock exhaust, remove the exhaust manifold, remove 02 sensor, add custom headers from a flange, add 2.5 inch exhaust from the header back (I kept my dual exhaust), Put some nice tips like $35 for both tips (I said nice not expensive!! :p) change your oil OFTEN, 87 Octane.. Makes a fun rx7! Total Cost around $285..... I did MULTIPLE exhaust designs trying to get it right and spent over $400 trying different designs... so I spent like about $700, but what I wrote above works WELL for me! NOW, I WARN you now!!! It will be STUPID loud, like a drag car or something... I mean literally it will get you pulled over....EASY.. I did lol.... :lol: You can get a ECV (Exhaust Control Valve) to limit the noise substantially, OR you can get aluminum screen mesh $13, Steel Wool (Yes initial fire..) or something similar $10, and some plumbing clamps that you use a flat head screw driver to tighten and stuff your exhaust with the steel wool.... $3 Use about 8-15 small steel wool pads per pipe.... Yes sounds stupid and it would be IF you didnt have exhaust coming out, But My Exhaust has port holes for it near the end letting most the noise go down instead of straight back. This setup makes the headers with straight pipes drivable on the street!! I drive it daily with this setup and as long as you dont floor it, its not that bad at all!!!... You might lose some power if any depending on your setup.... I dont feel ANY power loss... but no dyno so idk,,,,. So yea.... any questions or insults?? |
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Hm, well thanks everyone for the advice, i should be getting to work soon.. now im very determined, but have heard enough to know that no matter what the car will be fun and fast (not that i ever doubted that haha)
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201rwhp 6 port secondary bridgeport, megasquirt ecu, more to come out of it yet the ignition map is pretty ordinary,
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^That dyno graph looks all sorts of wrong... why is the crossover at 3k RPM? Also shouldn't you have more than 60 hp at 3k rpm?
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Originally Posted by Customisbetter
(Post 11497228)
^That dyno graph looks all sorts of wrong... why is the crossover at 3k RPM? Also shouldn't you have more than 60 hp at 3k rpm?
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Ah my bad I didn't notice the different scaling.
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why only 6k+ on the RPM's? why aren't you reving that thing?
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Originally Posted by RX200013B
(Post 11505475)
why only 6k+ on the RPM's? why aren't you reving that thing?
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Originally Posted by RotaryEvolution
(Post 11403330)
i'd like to see what numbers defined autoworks managed on their tuned manifolds. another that worked ok but not available any longer were the mindtrain headers.
The 6-port is limited to about 200rwhp unless the stock intake is switched out. Its simply way too long. Designed for torque in the 4-5k range, and we all know top end torque is needed to net 200+. Rotary evolution you already know, but are totally correct on the intake. This is why properly setup, Banzai made 200rwhp with stock ports. The ports are already too big vs. the long intake. Chain is only as strong as the weakest link... The 6-port with aftermarket intake is still at a disadvantage, it closes too late and has a bad reversion wave going up the wrong direction. The stock intake uses a loop system to try and "charge" the opposite rotor. Once a short aftermarket intake is fitted the loop system is not in place. Just bad reversion at that point. The 4-port is king in my opinion, much better, broader, more powerful powerband. This is our 230rwhp street port 4-port engine for comparison, daily driven, very quiet. Note 130rwtq at 3500 and 153rwtq peak. Attachment 666388 |
wow... the power curve of rotaries still amazes me.
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Originally Posted by GtoRx7.
(Post 11524660)
It varies a bit, our headers perform best when the porting style is aggressive or best yet when using our porting templates. For example on stock ports the gain is pretty small vs. a racing beat system.
The 6-port is limited to about 200rwhp unless the stock intake is switched out. Its simply way too long. Designed for torque in the 4-5k range, and we all know top end torque is needed to net 200+. Rotary evolution you already know, but are totally correct on the intake. This is why properly setup, Banzai made 200rwhp with stock ports. The ports are already too big vs. the long intake. Chain is only as strong as the weakest link... The 6-port with aftermarket intake is still at a disadvantage, it closes too late and has a bad reversion wave going up the wrong direction. The stock intake uses a loop system to try and "charge" the opposite rotor. Once a short aftermarket intake is fitted the loop system is not in place. Just bad reversion at that point. The 4-port is king in my opinion, much better, broader, more powerful powerband. This is our 230rwhp street port 4-port engine for comparison, daily driven, very quiet. Note 130rwtq at 3500 and 153rwtq peak. http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/h...whp13brena.jpg |
not unheard of for a 4 port n/a no, the 6 port engines simply have too many things going against them for larger numbers which Logan went on to explain.
to make close on a 6 port block would require a custom intake manifold/throttle body, or fill in the crappy ports and peripheral port it. the MSP managed about as much as a refined 6 port engine could do with the exception being that the auxiliary ports are twice as big as the early engines and have tuned sleeves for improved airflow. |
Originally Posted by RotaryEvolution
(Post 11564204)
not unheard of for a 4 port n/a no, the 6 port engines simply have too many things going against them for larger numbers which Logan went on to explain.
to make close on a 6 port block would require a custom intake manifold/throttle body, or fill in the crappy ports and peripheral port it. the MSP managed about as much as a refined 6 port engine could do with the exception being that the auxiliary ports are twice as big as the early engines and have tuned sleeves for improved airflow. |
Originally Posted by j9fd3s
(Post 11393152)
, why not just port the FC like an Rx8?
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Trying to do some learning, so don't mind this thread necro.
The four port engines are the SA13B, correct? For these >200Hp numbers, are people using carbs? FI? ITB's? Could I consider using my stock S5 intake manifolds with a standalone fuel injection system? On this note, why wouldn't someone just bridge the aux to the main ports on a 6 port iron, could this be done? Would it be beneficial? Since I'd be planning to run without the AUX valves anyways. I have been searching this crap for weeks, and I give up, so now I'm asking. |
4 ports are more commonly TURBO 4 port engines..
On this note, why wouldn't someone just bridge the aux to the main ports on a 6 port iron, could this be done? Would it be beneficial? Since I'd be planning to run without the AUX valves anyways. Rotary evolution you already know, but are totally correct on the intake. This is why properly setup, Banzai made 200rwhp with stock ports. The ports are already too big vs. the long intake. Chain is only as strong as the weakest link... as far as carb vs EFI everyone setup is different. but EFI is the way to go.. unless you're asking a first gen guy. or a 12a guy. |
So assume I go fuel injected. Would I need a standalone EMS to push out around 200 HP? I had been looking into running a Power FC, but I don't see where anyone makes a harness for an NA setup, only the Turbo engines.
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Our adapters work on both N/A and turbo, the same. The 200rwhp car referenced in this thread is running the PFC and our S5 adapter. We have tuned N/A base maps that are set up for vacuum only APEXi Power FC Adapter Kit (89-91 RX-7)
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Originally Posted by Banzai-Racing
(Post 11995080)
Our adapters work on both N/A and turbo, the same.
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Alright guys. Finally, I've got my stock 6 port itb set up tuned. Ended up with 169.6 max hp. Let me know if you think there is room for improvement without cracking the engine open and what can be done.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...a8ebd64af4.jpg NOTE: I had to trace the lines with a pencil because the lines didn't print well. I'm not hiding anything, nor did I modify the graph in anyway. I'm waiting for an electronic file from the tuner to prove this. |
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