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Finished tuning the car today
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We started this process a month ago but problems with the microtech cuased a pause in the session. Finally got the microtech back from Ausi a few days ago and got a chance to put the car back on the dyno to finish it today. Like always problems came up now the wastegate actuator will only hold at 9psi. The boost climbs up to 12 psi but comes right back down to 9 psi. When i get that problem solved its going back on the dyno but for now the car runs great and these numbers will do for now.
MODS: Street ported S4 irons w/ S5 internals and S5 housings, 3" turbo back exhaust, S4 Hybrid Turbo w/ Turbo XS tubular manifold, HKS filter, NPR FMIC, 720cc primary / 1000cc secondary injectors, Walbro fuel pump, Aeromotive FPR, Microtech LT8S ECU, Magnacore 10mm wires, Turbo XS Dual Stage MBC, BDC throttle body, 3 MSD 6A ignition boxes |
that problem sould be a quick solve. Does it have the adjustable wastegate actuator stem? Play around with it a little bit see what you come up with.
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damn nice numbers even with the waste gate issue. smooth power curve too, wish mine pulled like that.
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Originally Posted by junito1
(Post 7016204)
that problem sould be a quick solve. Does it have the adjustable wastegate actuator stem? Play around with it a little bit see what you come up with.
Im actually going to ditch the actuator and weld a tial on the manifold. I have someone giving me a good deal on one so im going to go that route |
Originally Posted by ColdSeven
(Post 7016360)
damn nice numbers even with the waste gate issue. smooth power curve too, wish mine pulled like that.
I cant wait to strap it back down after i solve the boost issues. We were tuniing for 14psi at the most and he said it should go past the 350 mark |
Jorge when u get a chance give me some info on your tuner..Maybe he can tune my Rtek. I don't think I will make the steve kan meet.
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here you go.
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went to the local 8TH mile track today.
Had a hard time getting into second gear Due to a bad shifter. reaction time : 0.951 60 Foot time : 2.133 Trap MPH : 76.9 ET : 9.509 If i would have gotten into second easier i know i could have done better. |
Well the time has come again to re tune the car. I have changed the set up of the car from the S4 hybrid to an HKS log manifold, HKS 40mm wastegate, Turbonetics 60-1 w/ .81 AR, Turbonetics MBC, Turbonetics BOV,and 1600cc secondary injectors. I will be tuning on Fri. Jan 18. Im going for 11.4 A/F at 15 PSI What ever it makes is what it makes. I will keep you guys posted.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k8...rx7/car001.jpg http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k8.../NewSetup2.jpg |
Clean engine bay!
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nice and clean
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Wow, impressive all around! That's great power for a hybrid, especially on a dyno-dynamics... Those things usually read pretty low. Any specs on the hybrid, or could you compare it to any of the (well-known) BNR hybrids?
Your new setup is very close to what I'm hoping to build in several months for my (coming) TII. Very nice! Excellent taste on the engine-bay etc. ;) :bigthumb: |
Originally Posted by eriksseven
(Post 7744686)
Wow, impressive all around! That's great power for a hybrid, especially on a dyno-dynamics... Those things usually read pretty low. Any specs on the hybrid, or could you compare it to any of the (well-known) BNR hybrids?
Your new setup is very close to what I'm hoping to build in several months for my (coming) TII. Very nice! Excellent taste on the engine-bay etc. ;) :bigthumb: The hybrid was built by forum member ZBrown about 3 years ago so you would have to ask him for the specs. If i remember correctly its a TO4B front and i know the back is S4. It could have hit 350 if it would of held boost to red line. Im hoping the new set up will hit high 3's maybe a peak into the 4's. It will be back on the Dyno on Sat so well see how it goes. |
your new setup is very similar to what I have put together on my car, except i have the T04S 60-1 with .96 hotside. I look forward to seeing how this does. I'm really curious how the HKS 40mm wastegate and MBC combination work out for you especially in preventing overboost. I just put in a brand new HKS 40mm w/ 10psi spring but I haven't gotten the car to the point where I can boost it yet.
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Originally Posted by arghx
(Post 7744872)
obviously this car is greatly underperforming. my old nonturbo did a 9.7 in the 1/8...
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Well i went back to the dyno yesterday to have the new set up tuned and didn't have any luck. The car had boost issues the entire session. First pass it hit 15 psi with out any problems than the boost kept getting lower and lower with each pass. He tested the turbo, wastegate, BOV, couplers and the boost controller and everything was working fine. He went as far as to take off the exhaust and did a pass with out it but no luck. The only thing that didnt change from the old set up to the new one is the intercooler so in the next few weeks i will be changing that and put it back on the dyno. I will update when that happens.
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Sucks to hear.
Could there have been an exhaust leak before the turbo? Maybe a gasket is going? Did you try running the wastegate with the boost controller bypassed? |
I'll bet you're slightly blowing a pipe coupler off. I've seen it happen before where a clamp fails and a pipe will ever-so-slightly blow off while under pressure and essentially disallow much pressure to build in the manifold. Double-check it all.
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Originally Posted by 95nracer
(Post 7763138)
Sucks to hear.
Could there have been an exhaust leak before the turbo? Maybe a gasket is going? Did you try running the wastegate with the boost controller bypassed? |
Originally Posted by BDC
(Post 7764749)
I'll bet you're slightly blowing a pipe coupler off. I've seen it happen before where a clamp fails and a pipe will ever-so-slightly blow off while under pressure and essentially disallow much pressure to build in the manifold. Double-check it all.
B All piping has tabs welded at the end for that purpose and all clamps are the industrial type T- Bolt clamps just because that did happen when the car was tuned on the hybrid set up. |
you could flare the pipe ends a little bit. see if that helps. For the pipe blow off problems.
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Damn, nice numbers man... very clean engine bay as well... thumbs up!
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Originally Posted by XIII
(Post 7786720)
Damn, nice numbers man... very clean engine bay as well... thumbs up!
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Originally Posted by jm85rx7
(Post 7787939)
Im hoping to make a little more than that with the new set up.
anyway, you have a very nice FC... i been looking for one for a while now... still no luck... |
We figured out the problem so i hope to have the car back on the dyno as soon as i can get an appointment again. Well see what happens this time.
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what was the problem?
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Fmic
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Like, what was the problem with the FMIC? heatsoaking, leak, inefficiency?
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leak. I have another one that came in today so i will find out tomorrow if the car feels better. If it does im trying to be back on the dyno ASAP.
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Well i finally got the FMIC put in about 2 weeks ago and fixed up some other little stuff i wanted to do like the Taurus E-Fan. The car feels so much better now. Today i also got a chance to get it back on the dyno and finish my tuning session. Like before the car was tuned for 14 PSI and 11.4 A/F. WHat ever it made i would be happy with. Here are the results.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k8...oSheet2001.jpg |
short clip from part of the session
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvuad3JRMi0 Also want to say thanks to Alex and Pito down at Lopez Racing for the work and bieng so patient. |
One time for my man Jorge
:beer: :allcho: :rock: :beer: :score: :smiley309 |
Originally Posted by cr7684
(Post 7902123)
One time for my man Jorge
:beer: :allcho: :rock: :beer: :score: :smiley309 Just by seeing what this set up did I cant wait to see the numbers your going to put up. |
Congrats man. That car is running beautifully.
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Could an EBC instead of an MBC make for a flatter curve and possibly slightly higher peak hp?
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I don't know about higher peak hp, but the general consensus agrees that an EBC will get you a flatter torque curve once tuned.
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What do you mean 'tuned'? I thought the idea of an EBC was to leave the wastegate closed until you reach the boost you want then it automatically regulates what gets through to the wastegate spring so it stays where you want it... Are there more complex systems that step up boost at different RPM?
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I had to play with my EBC under several runs to get the right settings. I'm running a Profec B Spec II so there are 3 settings for boost, set, gain, and set gain (start boost).
I followed this guidline: http://www.sr20forum.com/turbo-guide...b-spec-ii.html There are definitely EBC's out there that have settings for every RPM range. The ones I listed are capable of doing it. |
Great dyno man! this means that I will absolutely decimate 400rwhp on racegas on my T04S.
Question: do you know how many degrees of leading advance you are running in the peak torque area, and how many degrees at peak rpm? what split? Also how high did you rev it? the dyno seems to indicate over 8000... do you have an s4 rear iron? |
Originally Posted by arghx
(Post 7904219)
Great dyno man! this means that I will absolutely decimate 400rwhp on racegas on my T04S.
Question: do you know how many degrees of leading advance you are running in the peak torque area, and how many degrees at peak rpm? what split? Also how high did you rev it? the dyno seems to indicate over 8000... do you have an s4 rear iron? Any questions about tuning i couldnt answer because i really dont know. Thats why i took it to a person that does. Yes the car was taken past 8K RPM's The motor was put together with S4 plates, S5 Housings, and S5 internals. Im sure this set up is capable of a little more with a few more pounds of boost but after the car being down for a while and the diffrent problems that i ran into im happy were its at. |
Very nice man!!!
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does anyone here know if it is safe to rev to 8000 (on a regular basis) on s4 t2 rotors? I've got enough porting and I've got enough turbo to do it. Engine has a big streetport, T04S, rotary aviation super seals, and I guess whatever else Bruce Turrentine put in it.
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dyno dynamics.. greatest dyno made!!!! awesome numbers man :)
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Originally Posted by arghx
(Post 7906531)
does anyone here know if it is safe to rev to 8000 (on a regular basis) on s4 t2 rotors? I've got enough porting and I've got enough turbo to do it. Engine has a big streetport, T04S, rotary aviation super seals, and I guess whatever else Bruce Turrentine put in it.
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Originally Posted by Intense_Motorsports
(Post 7906602)
dyno dynamics.. greatest dyno made!!!! awesome numbers man :)
thanks |
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