Poll - sway/stabilizer
 

What should it be called?

hahaha

In the car world, people shouldn't be anal about what the "correct" term is,or at least what they think is right . There will always be 5 different terms for the same part.

As long as I know what you're talking about there's no reason to bitch, unlike some anal/elitist people around here, EHEM.

By the way I chose sway bar, it's definitely more universal than the other terms.

Sway bar is the most common term, but technically it is a "Anti-sway bar".

^ the truth...

lol close race sway vs anti sway ...lol

"maybe you should try a search" :P

LOL hahaha! i like that one i wonder who told you that?

True. "Stabilizer bar" is also commonly used in automotive engineering circles.

-Max

I grew up at the track in the Porsche club and have worked for a one of the best Porsche Mechanics in Northern VA/DC area and I never heard the term "Stabilizer bar" until recently.

I say ANTI-LIFT bar or "Reverse-Torsional Correction Bar" But Im putting in a V8 so go figure

I sent our friend stabilizer bar man a PM about this thread

what did he say?

anti-sway bar, I dare anyone to go into a mazda dealer and try to get them to give you a "stabilizer bar" pff

Nothing yet

Anti-stablizer bar. ;)

He said sciff is acting like spoiled little child who is tying to make a point, but in reality is just making herself look like a clueless shade tree mechanic.

The term found in every Mazda shop manual is stabilizer bar. In addition there have been several SAE and R&T articles about this.

Calling a Stabilizer bar a sway bar (radically wrong - it does nothing to increase sway) or anti-sway bar (closer to accurate, but still wrong in non bus/motorhome applications) is like calling a limited slip differential a posi-traction, or all refrigerators, Kenmores; all tires, white walls; or your neighbor Bob (even if his name was Jeff).

So, someone could continue to call a stabilizer bar, a sway bar, but after they have been told that it is inaccurate to continue to do so, well, it makes it look like they have a lack of intelligence when it comes to car parts. But then some people don't care about what others think of them.

I sure as hell dont.. get used to it

BTW from the poll most people seem to agree with me

doesn't mean that they are right.. just means that they don't know better.

i know what a stabilizer bar is.......



its the crude pole attatched to your peg leg... :molepoke:

The most popular term in racing circles is "anti-roll bar". The front and rear anti-roll bars are commonly called the FARB and RARB.

How is "roll" and "sway" any different in the car world except for persnickety pedants and their popularitist poll-making forum-player opponents?

Man you are just too cool for school! I yearn to be as intellectual as you are when it comes to correct automotive terms. Your unwavering support of the term "Stabilizer Bar" is awe inspiring. In fact I am going to begin a nationwide effort to ban the use of the words "Sway Bar" from all automotive circles. All those high paid Porshce owners and Porsche tuners I know need to be set straight because they obviously have no idea what they are talking about. To think they would even dare call a "Stabilizer Bar" a "Sway Bar". Oh it just makes me sick to my stomach now seeing how wrong they are. I'm off to change the world for the better, thanks for giving me a new found purpose in life!

and that is even more wrong, as they do nothing to prevent roll over.




But hey guys, if you want to call them the wrong thing that is your deal. Its a semi free country.


Because I call wheels, wheels too... so you can start a thread on weither they are called wheels, or rims (which is just part of the wheel) or mags (which is short for what some wheels used to be made of) or butthole mounts too.

And I call soft drinks like Coke or Sprite, by the name Soda's too... so you can start a poll on which one of those is correct, Soda's or Pop.

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And maybe that will make you feel vindicated, that because you do the same thing as the majority of people on this board... after all the Majority is always right, huh???:rolleyes: >end Edit>

yes and the brits call a trunk a "boot", a hood a "bonnet" and an elevator a "lift"

can you just take the stick out of your rear and agree on the fact that while the technical term may be 'stabalizer bar' and the popular term may be 'sway bar' or some other form.

Hold on a moment, I'm going to go get a drink at the bubbler. Hmmm... maybe I should get a soda instead. :)

-Max

Yo Icemark,

So admittedly this threads a bit of a joke on you after you got upset and shut down Sciff's original thread (and now apparently deleted it as

https://www.rx7club.com/2nd-generation-specific-1986-1992-17/handling-limits-fc-566224/

no longer works). However, I'm surprised you hold by insisting that only "stabilizer bar" can be correct. I'll give you that this is probably is what Mazda service manual calls it, I didn't check, but it'd be cool if you could man up and acknowledge that a single item can have two valid names. After all is it not correct to call an rx7's motivation both a "wankel engine" and a "rotary"?

If you don't like slang or popular opinion that's one thing, but if you want to get technical "anti-roll bar" is about as good as it gets. (Now if he called it anti-yaw or anti-pitch, I'd be on your side :cool: ).

Comm'on man. Prove yourself to be a good sport and start laughing with us... It's really your only graceful way out of this.

By the way, I still don't know where you're getting the RV thing. Do you know how hard I'd laugh if Winnebago officially naming the jacks that level an RV when parked "stabilizer bars?!?"

As long as we agree its not called 'pop' we're cool :bigthumb:

man i am glad someone is a new detective here! good work!

Slow down; you might learn something ;)

The chassis rolls whenever it is asked to corner due to the fact that the CG is above ground and contained within the chassis while the reaction forces through the tires occur at ground level. These bars counteract the chassis roll by acting as a spring that is coupled only to the roll moment. Therefore the name "anti-roll bar" describes exactly what they do :)

Anti-roll bar or ARB for short.

Anti-roll bar is the most accurate description.

Why do you care so much what people call it?

If other people can understand what it is, then that's all that matters.

As a mod, you should try to act a bit more mature on the matter of things like this. So pull the "stabilizer bar" out of your ass, be actually helpful to the rest of your online-community, because based on your amount of posts, you practically spend all of your time on your computer. And try not to give the rest of the rotor-heads a bad reputation because you're a good example of why people think that this board is full of self-centered egomaniacs.

And if someone doesn't know better, it doesn't make them wrong. At one point or another you didn't know what the hell a "stabilizer bar" was either.


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actually it was shut down because of his trolling and flaming other members. We do not tollerate flaming in the 2nd gen technical section at all.

And it was the mutiple and numerous complaints by other forum membrs that got it deleted. If he wants to lie and brag about his Maxima, and base on the RX-7 he needs to find another outlet. Perhaps on another board such as one that welcomes maxima owners.

Nice, 2nd post. I am sure saying that makes you feel better too get that off your chest.

I guess that is why people jump all over newbies here, because they come in and post what they don't know about and flame instead of following the forum rules.

Too bad, you could have helped remove that perception... instead well you post what you did, just perpetuating the stereo type.

yep, and then I went and looked at the factory shop manual and factory parts manual to figure it out where it is clearly labled and listed.

Again, for those who seem to get a hard on about calling it a sway bar, feel free to call the E shaft a crank shaft... after all it is the same right??? people will know what you are talking about... but is it right??

I'm guessing and could be wrong, but my guess is you voted #5?

Icemark you never addressed whether its a wankel engine or a rotary? How am I supposed to discuss engine related issues if I dont even know what to call it!!! help a brother out ASAP

First of all.. I didnt lie or brag I tried to keep the car and the mods LOW key as possible, its only when people like yourself flat out call me a liar that I had to elaborate on the mods done to the car to prove my point. I drive the maxima (its actually an Infiniti I35 but I figure you wouldent know what that is so to make it easier for you to understand I just call it a maxima) as a daily driver. I bought the FC as a weekend car. So tell me whats wrong with a maxima as a daily driver, and tell me how I put the FC down at all. I bought one 2 days ago I liked it so much.

still on the back of the trailer

https://img83.imageshack.us/img83/4128/rx7frontqn7.jpg

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/7730/rx7rearfz7.jpg


https://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2883/sideub3.jpg


On top of that if you want to call BS on my mods done to the maxima (actually an I35) heres my car domain page

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2340299

BTW dont even try to say I'm thread hijacking.. every post you've made in this thread has been a thread hijack and completly off topic so like others said take the stabilizer bar out of your butt and stop acting like a know it all.

I am reading this thread, and I'm thinking to myself - "Are these guys serious!?"

Take a step back and look at what you guys are arguing about. I think the last time I had an argument over something this stupid was in first grade when we were arguing about which ninja turtle was the coolest.

Well its not like anyone here is really arguing..Everyone accepts that Icemark thinks the correct term is stabilizer bar and I think everyone can accept that he can call it anything he wants to.. and thats ok..

He seems to have a serious problem though with the fact that a large portion of people use the term sway bar or anti sway bar, as an acceptible substitute for stabilizer bar or whatever else you wanna call it.

Technically, icemark, you are wrong, because the purpose of language is to represent and explain....and it does this most effectively by using common terms. Therefore, it is a dynamic phenomae where, in order to maintain its purpose most effectively, the most "correct" term is the one most widely understood by the audience in question. The most widely understood term for that particular audience is generally the msot commonly used one. As a result, the most commonly used term is the "correct" term, since it most fulfills its purpose as a component of speech...regardless of the words original root meaning.

Therefore, the terms "sway bar" or "anti sway bars" are far more correct than "stabilization" bar for use in this forum due to their overwhelmingly more common usage.

Which finally brings us to the conclusion that you are completely and utterly wrong....and need to stop arguing over stupid terms...

--Alex

PS: who can point out the irony in my post?

dude those are some serious mods! i thought you said minor mods? :tank:
nice FC by the way can i have the hood

Like I said, I dont like to brag. I was trying to down play it a little

I don't care who you are... saying that someone else is "wrong" to call something a name that differs from what you call it is pretty childish. soda vs. pop, grandma vs. granny, ECU vs. ECM, transmission vs. tranny, crankshaft key vs. woodruff key, IAC motor vs. ISC motor, MAF sensor vs. MAS...... ITS ALL THE SAME SHIT!

so its staying at a tie? i guess both are right!

I read the thread sciff5 and Icemark mentioned and I didn't perceive any major "this car is better" posturing. Some comparisons were made but nothing out of the ordinary.

Sorry, but now you've got me OT in my own thread!