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JoesFC 02-27-15 08:15 AM

Mushy feeling suspension
 
My s5 vert has a sort of dead zone at the neutral steering position which makes the car feel FAR less responsive than id like it to. Its not that it doesnt steer at all in this area, but its much softer and i feel like its worsening my turn-in. I dont know what i can do to it thatll help.

Heres whats been done to it so far:
Bilstein shocks/struts
Racing beat vert springs
Mazdatrix oem replacement spring seats
Racing beat front upper strut mounts
Racing beat front sway (no rear sway at all)

On michelin pilot super sport tires

I dont know if changing my alignment would help, or perhaps getting one of the bushing kits that racing beat sells, i have no idea

lOOkatme 02-27-15 08:34 AM

What tires are you running?

JoesFC 02-27-15 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by lOOkatme (Post 11877013)
What tires are you running?

Michelin pilot super sports. Not sure of the wheel width but the 225/45 17s that i have on it are about as big as the wheels will fit

lOOkatme 02-27-15 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by JoesFC (Post 11877018)
Michelin pilot super sports. Not sure of the wheel width but the 225/45 17s that i have on it are about as big as the wheels will fit

What wheel width?

JoesFC 02-27-15 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by lOOkatme (Post 11877097)

What wheel width?

Again im not sure. Probably something like 7.5 but i dont know

j9fd3s 02-28-15 02:36 PM

if you haven't aligned the car, i would. the stock alignment feels really planted, but it isn't very responsive either.

for the front, you want to rotate the strut tops so the strut is to the inside and rear (the strut isn't centered in the strut top). this gives the maximum negative camber (around -0.5), and positive caster.

for toe in, zero, or close to it, feels the best.

in the rear, stock negative camber is around -1.3, and that seems to work well.

rear toe makes a huge difference. stock runs a lot of rear toe, and its very stable. zero rear toe makes the car turn in way better, but unless you can be on the gas in a turn, it doesn't feel as stable. the toe adjuster bolts are marked, and ii start at zero, and then add a mark per side until i'm happy.

LargeOrangeFont 02-28-15 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by j9fd3s (Post 11877546)
if you haven't aligned the car, i would. the stock alignment feels really planted, but it isn't very responsive either.

for the front, you want to rotate the strut tops so the strut is to the inside and rear (the strut isn't centered in the strut top). this gives the maximum negative camber (around -0.5), and positive caster.

for toe in, zero, or close to it, feels the best.

in the rear, stock negative camber is around -1.3, and that seems to work well.

rear toe makes a huge difference. stock runs a lot of rear toe, and its very stable. zero rear toe makes the car turn in way better, but unless you can be on the gas in a turn, it doesn't feel as stable. the toe adjuster bolts are marked, and ii start at zero, and then add a mark per side until i'm happy.

Agreed. Your wheels are not your problem. Your alignment and/or 20 year old rubber bushings are the problem. Jack up each corner of the car and make sure there is no slop in any direction at the wheels.

JoesFC 02-28-15 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by LargeOrangeFont (Post 11877557)

Agreed. Your wheels are not your problem. Your alignment and/or 20 year old rubber bushings are the problem. Jack up each corner of the car and make sure there is no slop in any direction at the wheels.

What do you mean by that?

LargeOrangeFont 02-28-15 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by JoesFC (Post 11877670)
What do you mean by that?

If the rubber bushings on the car are shot, it will never feel right. Inspect everything first, check for excessive play, fix any problems you find, then get an alignment and it will be good.

The rear wheels should not move at all if you shake them in the air.

The fronts should not move up and down, but they may move very slightly left to right. If they do make sure the movement is in the steering rack, not at the wheel, ball joint or tie rod ends.

JoesFC 02-28-15 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by LargeOrangeFont (Post 11877692)

If the rubber bushings on the car are shot, it will never feel right. Inspect everything first, check for excessive play, fix any problems you find, then get an alignment and it will be good.

The rear wheels should not move at all if you shake them in the air.

The fronts should not move up and down, but they may move very slightly left to right. If they do make sure the movement is in the steering rack, not at the wheel, ball joint or tie rod ends.

The entire shock tower does move left and right i have noticed that before. As far as i know the rears dont.

JoesFC 02-28-15 08:32 PM

Could the lame steering feel be due to the fact that my wheels, although relatively small, are waaaay heavier than they should be?

LargeOrangeFont 02-28-15 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by JoesFC (Post 11877696)
The entire shock tower does move left and right i have noticed that before. As far as i know the rears dont.

Define shock tower.. If you mean the body of the car where the front strut attaches, you have bigger problems.

Regardless.. Nothing shock related should be moving.

LargeOrangeFont 02-28-15 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by JoesFC (Post 11877711)
Could the lame steering feel be due to the fact that my wheels, although relatively small, are waaaay heavier than they should be?

Nope. You have other problems that are either wear or alignment related.

JoesFC 02-28-15 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by LargeOrangeFont (Post 11877714)

Nope. You have other problems that are either wear or alignment related.

Heh well see the funny thing is that since i got my springs and shocks i actually never got the car aligned. I just wanted to find out what other factors might be involved. But now i know what direction to go with my alignment (which ill most likely get done next week)

LargeOrangeFont 02-28-15 08:46 PM

You could have saved us all a lot of time if you had just said that first. :)

JoesFC 02-28-15 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by LargeOrangeFont (Post 11877722)
You could have saved us all a lot of time if you had just said that first. :)

My bad hahaha. I just wasnt sure if that was the only thing affecting the situation


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