Mushy feeling suspension
My s5 vert has a sort of dead zone at the neutral steering position which makes the car feel FAR less responsive than id like it to. Its not that it doesnt steer at all in this area, but its much softer and i feel like its worsening my turn-in. I dont know what i can do to it thatll help.
Heres whats been done to it so far: Bilstein shocks/struts Racing beat vert springs Mazdatrix oem replacement spring seats Racing beat front upper strut mounts Racing beat front sway (no rear sway at all) On michelin pilot super sport tires I dont know if changing my alignment would help, or perhaps getting one of the bushing kits that racing beat sells, i have no idea |
What tires are you running?
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Originally Posted by lOOkatme
(Post 11877013)
What tires are you running?
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Originally Posted by JoesFC
(Post 11877018)
Michelin pilot super sports. Not sure of the wheel width but the 225/45 17s that i have on it are about as big as the wheels will fit
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Originally Posted by lOOkatme
(Post 11877097)
What wheel width? |
if you haven't aligned the car, i would. the stock alignment feels really planted, but it isn't very responsive either.
for the front, you want to rotate the strut tops so the strut is to the inside and rear (the strut isn't centered in the strut top). this gives the maximum negative camber (around -0.5), and positive caster. for toe in, zero, or close to it, feels the best. in the rear, stock negative camber is around -1.3, and that seems to work well. rear toe makes a huge difference. stock runs a lot of rear toe, and its very stable. zero rear toe makes the car turn in way better, but unless you can be on the gas in a turn, it doesn't feel as stable. the toe adjuster bolts are marked, and ii start at zero, and then add a mark per side until i'm happy. |
Originally Posted by j9fd3s
(Post 11877546)
if you haven't aligned the car, i would. the stock alignment feels really planted, but it isn't very responsive either.
for the front, you want to rotate the strut tops so the strut is to the inside and rear (the strut isn't centered in the strut top). this gives the maximum negative camber (around -0.5), and positive caster. for toe in, zero, or close to it, feels the best. in the rear, stock negative camber is around -1.3, and that seems to work well. rear toe makes a huge difference. stock runs a lot of rear toe, and its very stable. zero rear toe makes the car turn in way better, but unless you can be on the gas in a turn, it doesn't feel as stable. the toe adjuster bolts are marked, and ii start at zero, and then add a mark per side until i'm happy. |
Originally Posted by LargeOrangeFont
(Post 11877557)
Agreed. Your wheels are not your problem. Your alignment and/or 20 year old rubber bushings are the problem. Jack up each corner of the car and make sure there is no slop in any direction at the wheels. |
Originally Posted by JoesFC
(Post 11877670)
What do you mean by that?
The rear wheels should not move at all if you shake them in the air. The fronts should not move up and down, but they may move very slightly left to right. If they do make sure the movement is in the steering rack, not at the wheel, ball joint or tie rod ends. |
Originally Posted by LargeOrangeFont
(Post 11877692)
If the rubber bushings on the car are shot, it will never feel right. Inspect everything first, check for excessive play, fix any problems you find, then get an alignment and it will be good. The rear wheels should not move at all if you shake them in the air. The fronts should not move up and down, but they may move very slightly left to right. If they do make sure the movement is in the steering rack, not at the wheel, ball joint or tie rod ends. |
Could the lame steering feel be due to the fact that my wheels, although relatively small, are waaaay heavier than they should be?
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Originally Posted by JoesFC
(Post 11877696)
The entire shock tower does move left and right i have noticed that before. As far as i know the rears dont.
Regardless.. Nothing shock related should be moving. |
Originally Posted by JoesFC
(Post 11877711)
Could the lame steering feel be due to the fact that my wheels, although relatively small, are waaaay heavier than they should be?
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Originally Posted by LargeOrangeFont
(Post 11877714)
Nope. You have other problems that are either wear or alignment related. |
You could have saved us all a lot of time if you had just said that first. :)
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Originally Posted by LargeOrangeFont
(Post 11877722)
You could have saved us all a lot of time if you had just said that first. :)
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