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gohorns 01-05-03 05:16 PM

285 rear on FD
 
Does anyone have a pic of 285/40/17 on the rear of a FD? Does it fit ok? I currently have 275/40/17 and it looks like that would be max but I would like to go a little wider if I can. Thanks!

https://www.rx7club.com/forum/attach...postid=1375082

Joker 01-05-03 06:39 PM

yikes that's too tall, you'll jack up the rear end!

try 285/30-18 on 10 x 18 or 295/30-18 on 10.5 x 18 :)

gohorns 01-06-03 05:35 PM

Is 0.1 inch more going to jack up my rear end?
Stock sidewall 4.4 in
275/40 tire = 4.3
285/40 tire = 4.5


BTW I have the stock supension. So is anyone running 285/40/17? I need to order tires soon so please advise.


Originally posted by Joker
yikes that's too tall, you'll jack up the rear end!

try 285/30-18 on 10 x 18 or 295/30-18 on 10.5 x 18 :)


SleepR1 01-06-03 05:47 PM

Hell go ahead and do it. Don't forget to add traction bars, Cragar 5-spokes, and red-circled bias ply tires...(jeez...if you don't get it, you don't get it...)

rynberg 01-06-03 07:05 PM


Originally posted by gohorns
Is 0.1 inch more going to jack up my rear end?
Stock sidewall 4.4 in
275/40 tire = 4.3
285/40 tire = 4.5

um...you forgot to add the 1-inch taller wheel diameter and multiply the sidewall height by 2, so I would say 1.2 inches is taller than stock....


Originally posted by gohorns

BTW I have the stock supension. So is anyone running 285/40/17? I need to order tires soon so please advise.

A few knowledgeable people just did.

gohorns 01-06-03 07:17 PM

I remember reading an article in turbo that had rx7.com or rotary performance car with 285 rear tire, It was black with forgeline wheels. I forgot if it had 17s or 18s but 285 for sure. Not trying to be a smart ass but I just wanted to know


Originally posted by SleepR1
Hell go ahead and do it. Don't forget to add traction bars, Cragar 5-spokes, and red-circled bias ply tires...(jeez...if you don't get it, you don't get it...)

SleepR1 01-06-03 07:39 PM

285/30-18 Hoosier R3S03s on 10 x 18 Forgeline RS...that was the Project Rx7 car on Sport Compact Car (over heated motor, now being done at SR Motorsports).

BTW, don't bother with Hoosiers, unless you're a road racer. Stick with road tires on the public roads.

gohorns 01-06-03 07:47 PM

Why are you adding 1 inch? I'm comparing 17s to 17s just 10mm wider tire with slightly larger sidewall. So I was just asking joker how he considers that "too tall" or "jacked up" The way I calculate it shows only a small difference: current rear setup is 275/40/17 (sidewall = 275 x .40 = 110mm = 4.331in) and I want to run 285/40/17 (sidewall = 285 x .40 = 114mm = 4.488in)





Originally posted by rynberg


um...you forgot to add the 1-inch taller wheel diameter and multiply the sidewall height by 2, so I would say 1.2 inches is taller than stock....



gohorns 01-06-03 07:50 PM

Cool, thats what I was trying to find the specs on that RP car. I knew those had to be 18s but for some reason they looked like 17s in the pic and had a big sidewall

Originally posted by SleepR1
285/30-18 Hoosier R3S03s on 10 x 18 Forgeline RS...that was the Project Rx7 car on Sport Compact Car (over heated motor, now being done at SR Motorsports).

BTW, don't bother with Hoosiers, unless you're a road racer. Stick with road tires on the public roads.


rynberg 01-06-03 08:53 PM


Originally posted by gohorns
Why are you adding 1 inch? I'm comparing 17s to 17s just 10mm wider tire with slightly larger sidewall. So I was just asking joker how he considers that "too tall" or "jacked up" The way I calculate it shows only a small difference: current rear setup is 275/40/17 (sidewall = 275 x .40 = 110mm = 4.331in) and I want to run 285/40/17 (sidewall = 285 x .40 = 114mm = 4.488in)

You stated that the stock sidewall height was 4.4 inches. That is with a 16-inch rim. You are running 17-inch rims so you need a sidewall height of approximately 3.9 inches to maintain the stock wheel+tire diameter. You are also not accounting for the fact that you have "two" sidewalls included in the diameter of the wheel+tire.

You are right that 285/40 is not much taller than 275/40. However, 275/40 17 is already nearly an inch taller than stock. BTW, the tread width differences between a 285 and a 275 on the same width wheel will be insignificant. The only straight-line traction differences you will notice will be due to the 285/40 having a slightly taller final drive ratio, not the extra width.

SleepR1 01-07-03 05:32 AM


Originally posted by rynberg
The only straight-line traction differences you will notice will be due to the 285/40 having a slightly taller final drive ratio.
...taller rear tires will DECREASE acceleration (not increase it), but will add to your top end speed (if you ever find yourself at the Indy Motor Speedway)

SleepR1 01-07-03 05:36 AM


Originally posted by gohorns
Why are you adding 1 inch? I'm comparing 17s to 17s just 10mm wider tire with slightly larger sidewall. So I was just asking joker how he considers that "too tall" or "jacked up" The way I calculate it shows only a small difference: current rear setup is 275/40/17 (sidewall = 275 x .40 = 110mm = 4.331in) and I want to run 285/40/17 (sidewall = 285 x .40 = 114mm = 4.488in)
:doh: :stickpoke :ret::dunce: :knob: :whipit:

ptrhahn 01-07-03 09:16 AM

I honestly believe folks make WAY too much out of the tire diameters varying from stock.

THAT SAID:
you ARE pushing the envelope, and probably won't see any benefit if they're going on the same size rim. I'd stick with the 275/40's.

285/40 is a less common size and will offer fewer choices for tires. Is there some specific reason you want to do this?

SleepR1 01-07-03 10:51 AM


Originally posted by ptrhahn
I honestly believe folks make WAY too much out of the tire diameters varying from stock.
Disagree. IMPROPER tire diameters can adversely affect fender clearances, acceleration potential/top speed, and ride height.

nocab72 01-07-03 01:11 PM

gohorns - I advise you listen to sleepR1, he is no dummy when it comes to wheels, tires and suspension...he is one of our resident experts... :)

K

Wade 01-07-03 03:05 PM


Originally posted by SleepR1
Disagree. IMPROPER tire diameters can adversely affect fender clearances, acceleration potential/top speed...
Those are also adversely affected by wider tires of stock diameter, too, right? So maybe we should all stick with tires of the same diameter AND width as stock. ;)

Wade

ptrhahn 01-07-03 03:29 PM


Originally posted by SleepR1
Disagree. IMPROPER tire diameters can adversely affect fender clearances, acceleration potential/top speed, and ride height.
I didn't say it didn't matter.... just that too much is made of it. Of course you can't completely disregard fender clearance and gearing... but I DO think that some folks split hairs about this a little... particulary in the rear where clearance is less crucial.

For instance, the stock diameter is 24.9".

A 275/35/18 S03 is 25.6" in diameter (this is the size i usually see people belly-ache about)

Ride height difference: .35"

So not even 3/8" of height is what everyone quibles about? Please. Unless you've corner-balanced your car with scales, you're heights are probably almost that far off from side to side by the time you sit in it.

IMO, For street i think that 275/35/18 is a better solution than the 285/30/18 with its tiny sidewalls and slightly smaller than stock diameter. My experience is, while the 30-series make the car feel more responsive, its actually a detriment to straight-line traction, and in combination with aggressive lowering make the car tough around town.

So all i was pointing out is that i believe that some sizes are a bit of an extreme to go to just to get nearer to stock diameter.

SleepR1 01-07-03 05:52 PM


Originally posted by ptrhahn
Ride height difference: .35"So not even 3/8" of height is what everyone quibles about? Please. Unless you've corner-balanced your car with scales, you're heights are probably almost that far off from side to side by the time you sit in it
I can tell the ride height difference between my old 245/45-17--275/40-17 Hoosier setup and my current road setup 255/40-17. 0.30 inhes taller with the Hoosiers, was enough height to increase the car's roll center. This is why I'll plan 245/40-17--285/30-18 for the next setup.

SleepR1 01-07-03 06:46 PM


Originally posted by Wade
Those are also adversely affected by wider tires of stock diameter, too, right? So maybe we should all stick with tires of the same diameter AND width as stock. ;) Wade
Oh sure...stock tire size will stick just fine :)

maxcooper 01-07-03 08:53 PM

Diameter does matter a lot for the front, but it is less important in the back.

It's amazing how small a difference in ride height you can notice. I lowered by car like 0.25" once and I could tell it was lower by sitting in it. I was surprised. Now, just because it is noticable doesn't mean it "matters", but I was just surprised how perceptible such changes are.

What size front tire do you have? If the rears are already a bunch larger, a 285 might be a step in the wrong direction. Not a big step, but it is still the wrong direction, so why take that step?

-Max

ptrhahn 01-07-03 09:08 PM

Absolutely... you can certainly "tell" when you've changed most anything in the suspension of these cars, and i think thats a good thing.

I was simply disputing the idea that anything larger than stock will "ruin the handling" or "jack it up", and that resorting to sizes with other shortcomings (depending on your application) wasn't always necessary.

I think most FDs (mine included) are a little over-lowered for asthetic reasons (often the rear more than the front), and i know I actually welcomed the little extra height from 245/40/17s all around to a 235/45, 275/40/17 combo. It allowed it to sit where i liked it without dragging the exhaust system off over speedbumps.

That said, i wouldn't put 285/40/17s on MY car...

SleepR1 01-07-03 09:14 PM


Originally posted by ptrhahn
That said, i wouldn't put 285/40/17s on MY car...
...like you pointed out there aren't many tire brands that come in 285/40-17 anyway...Pirelli P-Zero Asimmetrico is all I can think of? And think how heavy a 285/40-17 tire is...gotta be around 30 lbs at least :eek:

ptrhahn 01-07-03 09:16 PM

Absolutely... you can certainly "tell" when you've changed most anything in the suspension of these cars, and i think thats a good thing.

I was simply disputing the idea that anything larger than stock will "ruin the handling" or "jack it up", and that resorting to sizes with other shortcomings (depending on your application) wasn't always necessary.

I think most FDs (mine included) are a little over-lowered for asthetic reasons (often the rear more than the front), and i know I actually welcomed the little extra height from 245/40/17s all around to a 235/45, 275/40/17 combo. It allowed it to sit where i liked it without dragging the exhaust system off over speedbumps.

That said, i wouldn't put 285/40/17s on MY car...

gohorns 01-07-03 09:57 PM

Plenty to choose from, you just got to look: Bridgestone RE730, Firestone SZ50, BFG Gforce, Yoko AVS Sport, Nitto NT555, Goodyear F1s, Michelin pilot a/s, Dunlop 8000s,...


Max- I have 235 on the front but if I go with the 285 out back I will get either 245 or 255 up front


Originally posted by SleepR1
...like you pointed out there aren't many tire brands that come in 285/40-17 anyway...Pirelli P-Zero Asimmetrico is all I can think of? And think how heavy a 285/40-17 tire is...gotta be around 30 lbs at least :eek:

SleepR1 01-08-03 07:17 AM


Originally posted by gohorns
Max- I have 235 on the front but if I go with the 285 out back I will get either 245 or 255 up front
"Brrrrrrrmmmm"...that's the sound of fender lips rubbing when you enter your driveway curb :)


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