Strange KKK Turbo (SR Motorsports) info
 

I know that only a few people on here actually have one of the SR Motorsports turbo's, but this is kind of strange...:eek: :confused: ?

Got this from another site:

Hey guys let me explain the whole KKK turbo from SR Motorsports thing. I purchased one of them along with many other products a couple of years ago from Ray only to find that what he sold me was not a KKK turbo but a Holset turbo which has an almost identical turbine footprint to the T04 turbine. This is why the KKK you guys looked at had an entirely different turbin flange on it than the turbos and manifolds that Ray sells. It is called a Holset model HX40. They are sold by a few performance shops in Australia which is where he is probably getting his. I first found this out when I took the turbo to a local diesal truck shop to look for a v-band clamp. When I showed them the turbo and said it was a KKK they laughed at me. Then the guy went in the back and grabbed a turbo almost identical and a Holset book showing the exact turbo and showed me that it was in fact a Holset. This is why the numbers and such are shaved off of the housings. I have seen many KKK turbos and there are no KKK turbo that look anywhere near what his turbos do. If any of you want I have pictures of the Holset HX40 I can send you and you can see for yourself. Go to www.gcg.com.au Then go to the catalogue and look for turbos-standard bearing. In there you will find the HX40 which is one of the turbos Ray sells and the HX50 which is another one he sells. The prices are in australian currency.

There was whole controversy about this same topic a couple of months back. Im not sure what ever came out of it though.

Damm I never knew that....was before I got mine, I guess. Time to search...

Could anyone post a link to the outcome?

How can he sells you a Holset and call it a KKK? That's fishy to me. Just like his dyno tuned PFC too?

That guy is total idiot.......What reason would Ray have to lie about the turbo? People are such dipshits sometimes, it kills me. Yea, its a big secret, don't tell anyone, the KKK kits are really HKS T51R kits...SSSHHHHH You have to sort through some of the bullshit here and that is one of the "bullshit" posts Im talkin about. Sometime people just get on here and post, just to post.

i dont mean to sound like a dick, ernie, but can you prove other wise that the KKK turbos that SR sells arent really holset units ?

Are you really going to keep wasting everyone's time on something so dumb?! Can you prove its not? Hell, can you prove the T78 is "really" a Greddy kit? I heard it was really a KKK and Did you know the T04S kit is really a T88 turbo? You see where Im going with this. Pretty stupid, huh? High School shit.....

i dont see where u r going with it.um i can prove my turbo is a greddy.it is engraved into every part of the turbo.just like hks has hks and garrett everywhere.kkk turbines are recognized by a triangle with 3 k's inside of it.

I believe the holset/kkk theory. But I bet there is more to it!

http://www.3k-warner.de/englisch/01_...historie.shtml

http://www.turbodriven.com/company/history.html

They've all been in bed together...

I'd RATHER have a British "new tech" Holset than a Borg Warner "KKK" ;) ;)

Dude, take it easy, it's not that serious. I for one would like to know the whole story considering I was gonna go the KKK route and still might

I could care less which turbo it is that he sells. But, I ordered a manifold from him, and when I got it my turbo won't fit. I told him exactly what turbo it is, and he said it would fit. (Actually, I never spoke to Ray. It was one of his lackeys named Greg.) Now I'm trying to figure out whether I want to get a different turbo, change out the housing on the one I have, or send the manifold back to them.
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I ordered his $700 cast divided manifold, and they sent their $1200 SS divided manifold in place of the one I ordered for the same price. The one I ordered was on backorder and they were trying to be nice to me. That's what they said, anyway. What would y'all do?

I don't think it's stupid at all. Brand name does matter. Would you paid for a BMW to find out it's really a VW underneath? KKK built a name with Porsche 930 turbos. I've never heard of a Holset. So there might be some type of misrepresentation with Ray. I bought stuff from Ray and was supposed to get free tuning if I upgrade. Turned out, no, only if you upgrade with his stuff. And the free tuning? That was done with a PFC commander that any monkey can do. There wasn't any dyno tuning involved.

Finally, that you're only one of the few guys to buy the "KKK" from Ray doesn't mean you have to defend Ray like Rikki while wearing knee-pads. Truth to tell, I haven't seen any one besides you run a KKK.

One other thing... Holset seems to be designed for diesels but can be converted for use with gasoline. http://www.mustangcentral.net/forums...ad.php?tid=168

The business man in me tells me to sell the divided manifold for about $1000 and get another manifold

I have seen several LIMs on single turbo cars that were ground/cut and welded up to make clearance in the spot where you are having trouble. Perhaps there was an assumption that you would do that with your manifold. I think some of the bigger kits require such modifications.

-Max

The manifold you have is a HKS one which Ray sells like it's his brand. The biggest turbine housing you can fit on there is a 1.0 and you still need to shave the EGR valve port and have it welded. If you have a smaller A/R turbine housing, you will get away with it just blocking off the EGR port without doing any welding. Another way to do it is to get a JDM lower intake manifold which has no EGR port at all.

On my HKS T51R kai turbo, I had to shave off the EGR port and the manifold is still too close to the turbine housing. I ended up using a JDM lower intake manifold and the clearance problem is gone. All Japanese turbo kits were designed with the JDM rx-7 in mind. That's why almost all of them require you to either shave off the EGR valve port or dent the downpipe to fit. The only ones I know that do not require any of that is the APEX turbo kit and the HKS T04E kit.

Chuck Huang

I completly forgot about that. I decided to bang the crap outta my dp instead of shaving the LIM when I put my T78 in. My problem wasn't the turbine hitting the EGR but the DP hitting the LIM runners. Sorry to stray off the subject.

I think the KKK's need some minor modifications too for it to fit

For the record, he did say that it's STRANGE INFO... :)

Holset is a big name in turbos. They've been making Diesel turbos for years. Big ones. Indy cars have been using Holset for a while too.

That pic looks kinda like a Holset from what I have seen, actually... any pics of the cold side, specifically the inlet?

rotaryextreme- Thank you! That makes perfect sense.

peejay-That ain't a Holset. Thats a garrett TO-4 1.0 tang. housing. The compressor is a 60-1. It came of a deisel motor, and it was yery cheap. I will run that one for a while.

yeah i had the same problem with my "bolt on" t78 kit.until i started installing it .then i was thinkin aint this a bitch?then the downpipe and turbo dont evenly fit together properly.and i had the bolts cranked all the way.talk about exhuast leaks.when i get around to redoing everything ill trow a couple more gaskets in there to seal it off better.but the car just sits there.

Im not choosing sides here... but just so everyone can see what you guys are talking about...

https://www.rx7club.com/forum/attach...postid=1122821

Yep, they look the same to me. But, they could have told me about this before making the sale. They also sent me the wrong clutch, which I sent back.

Just so you know, the HKS T51R Turbo looks the same as mine, but I know its not. Its called common sense. Anyhow, I really don't care, cause my car is straight bad ass.

My HKS T51R KAI looks nothing like your KKK turbo.