Efr 7670
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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Awesome turbo man! Can't wait to see it in person.
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Thanks Dave! Yeah me neither LOL! Can't wait to put it on, too.
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Pretty much finished installing, finally. Now I just need to get an oil drain for the turbo to work with my setup, can't seem to get this problem licked. Also picking up a couple more clamps tomorrow for the IC couplers and I'll powder coat the IC and piping, and also make some ducting.
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what is this, about a 500whp (rotary) turbo?
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Fweeeaaaakin schweeeet!
ps...A/R size? |
Originally Posted by Cosmo_TT
(Post 11040092)
what is this, about a 500whp (rotary) turbo?
But given the fact that we don't know OP's goals, this is just my ranting:lol: |
Originally Posted by Cosmo_TT
(Post 11040092)
what is this, about a 500whp (rotary) turbo?
Originally Posted by mannykiller
(Post 11040094)
Fweeeaaaakin schweeeet!
ps...A/R size?
Originally Posted by Liborek
(Post 11040206)
Compressor peak flow should support about 550 hp@crank, but map is rather high PR oriented. It will flow that 64 lbs/min at highest speed line, no matter PR, but 13B around 7500 rpms will consume all that airflow at less than 25 psi boost I.e. 2.7 PR. And 2.7 PR @ peak flow is waay outside of efficiency range. This will cause two things, high discharge temperatures and high turbine backpressure. Former can be solved by good intercooling, but later is a problem.
But given the fact that we don't know OP's goals, this is just my ranting:lol: I'm gonna powdercoat the IC end tanks and IC piping black on this one also. Got the oil drain issue remedied and started the car...crappy video though... http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f9...h_d6ed125a.jpg |
Very nice I'm very interested in seeing how this works out. Whats your setup?
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Hell yea!! i'm at work and wish I could see the vid haha. I think you'll be very happy with that turbo. I was looking into an efr as well but they were so hard to get a hold of I ended up just sticking with the gtx series. But the Sierra Sierra TIme attack evo uses is... and I think you'll have no problem with response. Those Crazy compressor/exhaust wheels are rad! Can't wait for results. Are you getting a re-tune? Looking great!
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Get that thing tuned and to a dyno. Lets see the hype.
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^ya, it'd be nice to see some actual data showing these turbos are indeed "better", or not...we shall see
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Originally Posted by speedjunkie
(Post 11041349)
I'm just looking for a turbo that responds pretty quick.
But I must ask, what are your power goals and intended boost levels? What I was saying basically means, that these units were designed for low displacement piston engines running at high boost. They can operate with very high pressure ratio and they are efficient in these areas at high flow. Not so much at low pressure ratios and high flow... For low boost, high RPM, high flow stuff I.e. rotaries, these arenīt exactly the best match. But have a look bellow, I ploted how your turbo should work at 15 psi (assuming) on 13B. Its not that bad:) http://www.turbodriven.com///perform...6_wrsin=92044&
Originally Posted by silverTRD
(Post 11041834)
^ya, it'd be nice to see some actual data showing these turbos are indeed "better", or not...we shall see
These turbos are really unique in turbine material and "gains" from this can't be measured on dyno, only in real world situations like transient response, boost response between shifts etc. |
Originally Posted by RX7WEEE
(Post 11041401)
Very nice I'm very interested in seeing how this works out. Whats your setup?
I have a large street port from IRP, RA Super Seals (I believe all other internals are stock but I don't remember), stud kit, oil passage porting, OMP adapter running 2-cycle and also premixing, Supra pump with Kenne Bell BAP, CJM fuel kit with ID 725cc and 2000cc injectors, Xcessive equal length LIM, Mazmart water pump, Garfinkle oil pan brace, I don't really remember everything haha.
Originally Posted by mannykiller
(Post 11041645)
Hell yea!! i'm at work and wish I could see the vid haha. I think you'll be very happy with that turbo. I was looking into an efr as well but they were so hard to get a hold of I ended up just sticking with the gtx series. But the Sierra Sierra TIme attack evo uses is... and I think you'll have no problem with response. Those Crazy compressor/exhaust wheels are rad! Can't wait for results. Are you getting a re-tune? Looking great!
Originally Posted by Islander
(Post 11041822)
Get that thing tuned and to a dyno. Lets see the hype.
So while I really want to provide dyno info on this turbo, I can't promise anything lol. I'm not going to risk my engine or something else for that lol.
Originally Posted by silverTRD
(Post 11041834)
^ya, it'd be nice to see some actual data showing these turbos are indeed "better", or not...we shall see
Originally Posted by Liborek
(Post 11042105)
Well, compressor is physically small and Gamma-Ti turbine wheel is very light, so whole rotating assembly should have very low inertia so it should be very responsive.
But I must ask, what are your power goals and intended boost levels? What I was saying basically means, that these units were designed for low displacement piston engines running at high boost. They can operate with very high pressure ratio and they are efficient in these areas at high flow. Not so much at low pressure ratios and high flow... For low boost, high RPM, high flow stuff I.e. rotaries, these arenīt exactly the best match. But have a look bellow, I ploted how your turbo should work at 15 psi (assuming) on 13B. Its not that bad:) http://www.turbodriven.com///perform...6_wrsin=92044& No one is saying that they are better. Compressor maps are showing all the info you need and even very basic parameter like wheel ratio can give very good idea how well certain turbocharger will work on certain application. These turbos are really unique in turbine material and "gains" from this can't be measured on dyno, only in real world situations like transient response, boost response between shifts etc. I'll probably run around 20-25psi, which is what I've been running on the 500R. My power goals I don't care about as much, I'll get what I get. Especially considering I lose so much at 6000ft altitude anyway, and I won't know what it actually makes unless I get on a dyno closer to sea level. I figured it would do about the same as the 500R but I don't care as much about that as I do about response, which for me will be told more with the butt dyno anyway. Well hopefully it will be even better than that considering I'll be pushing 5-10psi more than that, but we'll see lol. I'm right there with you on that last part, I want to see what this will do in real world situations. Hard to convey to someone over the internet though lol. |
Originally Posted by speedjunkie
(Post 11042619)
Yeah I did quite a bit of reading about the technology that went into this, but I'm not smart enough to read compressor maps and all that lol.
Originally Posted by speedjunkie
(Post 11042619)
I'll probably run around 20-25psi, which is what I've been running on the 500R. My power goals I don't care about as much, I'll get what I get. Especially considering I lose so much at 6000ft altitude anyway, and I won't know what it actually makes unless I get on a dyno closer to sea level. I figured it would do about the same as the 500R but I don't care as much about that as I do about response, which for me will be told more with the butt dyno anyway.
Hard to convey to someone over the internet though lol. Note:I'm mentioning flow rates itself, not saying that given turbo is able to do it;) Problem is that turbocharger is volumetric device and these mass flow rates happens at certain corrected conditions, IIRC at sea level pressure - 14.7 psi and 68°F temperature. Your altitude has lower absolute pressure, this will be compensated by turbocharger itself, it will just work at higher pressure ratio. But since the compressor inlet is limited to certain volumetric flow, lower air density, in your case about 80% of STP will support only 80% of peak mass flow. So even with 25 psi in midrange and about 20 psi in top-end (this turbo simply can't support more) you will be limited to about 450 HP@crank at these boost levels. Still, when you look bellow on the compressor match, its not very good. From about 5500 rpms and up efficiency falls of drastically which causes very high compressor outlet temperatures and high backpressure. Both these things aren't very good, nor for power production, nor for reliability. High backpressure will actually hurt volumetric efficiency, so peak power will be even lower. http://www.turbodriven.com///perform...6_wrsin=92044& It will be interesting how it will work out, don't be afraid of dyno, just be prepared, many things can be recognized and sorted before hitting the dyno. If you know that you have certain mechanical or electric problem, solve it first. |
The oil line for the turbo and the fuel pump rewire I should have known about but didn't. I had zero indication that my engine would go last January, and my car was running like a top before that.
I test drove the car today. I'm SUPER happy with this turbo. I didn't boost too much, because I was told to take it easy for the first few hundred miles. But even with little boost (.28 bar) I could feel the car pulling at 2k RPM and it felt pretty strong at 3k-3.5k. Not only that, it feels as though there is very little spool lost between shifts. Now I have a vacuum leak I have to find though haha. Ugh. |
in cabin video? stop being so stingy... I havent gotten to hear our fabulous motors in a while!!
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He has the 1.05 option.
I think you plotted for .92?
Originally Posted by Liborek
(Post 11042105)
Well, compressor is physically small and Gamma-Ti turbine wheel is very light, so whole rotating assembly should have very low inertia so it should be very responsive.
But I must ask, what are your power goals and intended boost levels? What I was saying basically means, that these units were designed for low displacement piston engines running at high boost. They can operate with very high pressure ratio and they are efficient in these areas at high flow. Not so much at low pressure ratios and high flow... For low boost, high RPM, high flow stuff I.e. rotaries, these arenīt exactly the best match. But have a look bellow, I ploted how your turbo should work at 15 psi (assuming) on 13B. Its not that bad:) http://www.turbodriven.com///perform...6_wrsin=92044& No one is saying that they are better. Compressor maps are showing all the info you need and even very basic parameter like wheel ratio can give very good idea how well certain turbocharger will work on certain application. These turbos are really unique in turbine material and "gains" from this can't be measured on dyno, only in real world situations like transient response, boost response between shifts etc. |
Question to Junkie:
Is there a reason you went twin scroll? I,m thinking of doing a vband since 13b isnt supposed to have scavanging issues?? |
Originally Posted by mannykiller
(Post 11044701)
in cabin video? stop being so stingy... I havent gotten to hear our fabulous motors in a while!!
Originally Posted by d k
(Post 11044797)
He has the 1.05 option.
Originally Posted by d k
(Post 11044803)
Question to Junkie:
Is there a reason you went twin scroll? I,m thinking of doing a vband since 13b isnt supposed to have scavanging issues?? I'm not sure what you mean about v-band and scavenging issues though. What do those have to do with twin scroll or single scroll? LOL maybe I'm just confused. Please elaborate. |
Originally Posted by speedjunkie
(Post 11044112)
What do you mean exactly by "setup"? Are you talking about engine mods, turbo, IC, fuel, everything? Or just something specific?
I have a large street port from IRP, RA Super Seals (I believe all other internals are stock but I don't remember), stud kit, oil passage porting, OMP adapter running 2-cycle and also premixing, Supra pump with Kenne Bell BAP, CJM fuel kit with ID 725cc and 2000cc injectors, Xcessive equal length LIM, Mazmart water pump, Garfinkle oil pan brace, I don't really remember everything haha.. I was more wondering what ems, water injection or not, pump gas/race gas how much boost you wanted to run. etc etc I'm looking at this turbo for when I go single and want 100% of the information I can get about it. I'll be bugging you. :) Thanks :) |
Oh OK. I have an APEX'i Power FC, FJO water injection, pump gas, and I'm probably going to go for 20psi, maybe a little more. But definitely not over 25.
That's cool, bug me all you want. Unfortunately I might be rebuilding my engine. Ever since I was still breaking it in last year it's been smoking/possibly burning oil. Most of my troubleshooting has led me to believe it's burning oil, but a couple things lead me to believe it isn't, so needless to say I'm getting really aggravated and I just want it to stop smoking. Either way, this turbo is awesome lol. |
I don't think you would see more than 380-400 wheel Horsepower on a 13B Rotary. Honestly it's going to be pushing a lot of hot air at anything past 20 psi and your EGT's and back pressure are going to get uncomfortably high.
I personally feel that this turbo is just too small for our engines. The smallest EFR I'd go with is the EFR8374. You don't happen to have EGT gauges or back pressure gauges off hand do you? I'm interested to find your results either way. I'm also not entirely sold on the EFR product line. They look fantastic on paper, but it seems that the results thus far are less impressive than the hype that's been generated for these turbos. |
Again, I don't care as much about HP level as I do response. But we'll see what it does. I think it's funny when people talk down something that hasn't even been tried yet lol. Why not just wait and see what happens?
I do have dual EGT, one on each rotor. Unfortunately they aren't exactly evenly spaced from the exhaust flange like I would have liked, but that won't matter for just seeing what the temps are at a given time, boost pressure, etc. I don't have any logging capability yet though. And I do not have back pressure sensors. At this point I don't plan on racing this car, just having fun with it. This turbo is giving me what I'm looking for so far, which is fast spool, and I haven't even used much of its potential yet. It seems to be working well for Sierra Sierra lol, so I'd say it's probably a great turbo. If its not what you're looking for for your goals then so be it. But not everyone is looking for what you want. Also, I don't want to go much more than 20psi because I don't want to have to deal with race gas. Not yet anyway. |
I rode in his car on the cruise....while he wasn't boosting it hard because of the break in period....that sucker spools quick.....I am a guy who loves the stock twins because of the response and the lower rpms torque/power. This turbo seems like it comes on really low...and would probably be a beast in the low/mid range rpms.....I can't say anything about the upper rpm range as he is breaking the turbo in and didn't want to push it.
I totally agree with Speedjunkie's approach.....I personally don't see the advantage to running a huge turbo that kicks in the upper rpm range....when you might be able to take advantage of a smaller turbo that kicks in at lower rpms....but gives up a little top end power. We do a lot of street driving and probably hit some canyon roads up.....its more attractive to me to have a turbo that can pull in the 3-6K RPM range and at a higher gear....then a lower gear and a shit ton of power...which makes it harder to drive for us non-professional drivers. Area under the curve is what makes me excited.....and also linear curves......the graphs that look more exponential scare me for usable driving power. I am excited to see what his car feels like when its broke in and ready to go after some tuning. If my stock turbo system ever failed.....I would seriously look into this turbo....seems like a perfect set up for something I would consider. |
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