Dual 44 to a single 60 wastegate switch opinions
My new Xcessive lim doesn't clear my turbo and when I put a spacer flange on the turbo manifold, the turbo is touching the chassis :(
Looks like a new manifold will be the route to go but while I'm at it I want to replace my dual 44 venting out wastegates to a single 60 re-routed wastegate. The other option is to plumb the 44s back but it is more difficult to do. The main reason for the change in wg configuration is the noise. It is fun on short accelerations but a headache on longer drives. My turbo is a GTX35R. Would there be boost creep issues or other issues like decreased response with a single 60 wastegate? |
First problem I see is the fact that you're going to a larger single wastegate, which actually handles power less effectively.
This is a quote from D-Series (Honda) forum: "Wastegate sizing One of the more popular misconceptions about wastegate sizing is; the more powerful the engine, the bigger the wastegate is needed. This guide indicates the right size of wastegate: big turbo/low boost = bigger wastegate big turbo/high boost = smaller wastegate small turbo/high boost = smaller wastegate small turbo/low boost = bigger wastegate " More info from Turbosmart here: Technical Articles | Wastegate Myths | Turbosmart USA Why don't you just route your wastegate dump tubes back into your exhaust? Am I the only one running stacked ceramic mufflers around here?!? Noise should be EASILY solvable on a rotary...thicker wall piping helps with resonance too. |
Originally Posted by SirLaughsALot
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First problem I see is the fact that you're going to a larger single wastegate, which actually handles power less effectively.
This is a quote from D-Series (Honda) forum: Larger wastegates are less prone to boost creep. More info from Turbosmart here: Technical Articles | Wastegate Myths | Turbosmart USA Why don't you just route your wastegate dump tubes back into your exhaust? Am I the only one running stacked ceramic mufflers around here?!? Noise should be EASILY solvable on a rotary...thicker wall piping helps with resonance too. |
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Plumbing two wastegates back to exhaust is a massive pain in the nuts. Ask me how i know. If i was to do it again it would be a big single.
One idea to keep true twin scroll effect is to divide the wastegate runner. |
Originally Posted by WANKfactor
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Plumbing two wastegates back to exhaust is a massive pain in the nuts. Ask me how i know. If i was to do it again it would be a big single.
One idea to keep true twin scroll effect is to divide the wastegate runner. |
Yeah its not so much the fab work as having to remove and reinstall a dump pipe with four flanges when working on the car. It might not be as bad for you but mine is a rhd fb so quite tight and fiddly under there.
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Originally Posted by WANKfactor
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Yeah its not so much the fab work as having to remove and reinstall a dump pipe with four flanges when working on the car. It might not be as bad for you but mine is a rhd fb so quite tight and fiddly under there.
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When making a manifold from scratch it's not all that hard actually, my fd is RHD and if you're keeping in mind that you have 2 gates and have to plumb both back in you can design it with that in mind. With my manifold i placed my turbo a bit more to the front at a slight angle so my gates and pipes would fit :)
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Originally Posted by SirLaughsALot
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This is where V-Band Clamps shine. :egrin: Yea RHD is a LOT harder. They already twisted the entire drivetrain to fit your steering clearances! Anyone else notice how the motor/trans aren't inline with the body? :scratch:
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Originally Posted by eplusz
(Post 12060059)
When making a manifold from scratch it's not all that hard actually, my fd is RHD and if you're keeping in mind that you have 2 gates and have to plumb both back in you can design it with that in mind. With my manifold i placed my turbo a bit more to the front at a slight angle so my gates and pipes would fit :)
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Looks like we have to remove the turbo more towards the front and we will use a single 60mm wastegate (piping from each manifold runner to keep the dual WG effect). This has two reasons; 1- Better clearance and/so room for WRC style heatshields 2- Space for a bigger turbo in case I decide to upgrade in the future. I am worried about losing turbo response but my mechanic told me these changes won't have a noticeable negative effect on spool and response and boost control should be ok too.
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