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rotormind 03-16-10 10:35 PM

I really would love for this to be true but that's gotta be a record or something. Are you using those light weight billet rotors? What's the secret? cause you have no shame claiming those numbers like it's nothing. Please make us believe this.

Gregory Casimir 03-16-10 11:19 PM

ha you know you're gonna give me a ride it that beast!

thewird 03-17-10 02:48 AM

So you somehow managed to get the turbo to flow more then it physically can? 87 lbs/min = ~870 piston rwhp / 1.3 = ~669 rotary rwhp max assuming ideal conditions? Forum dyno numbers make me lol every time. Aside from that, its probably a fast car with that turbo.

I always wondered why these high HP dyno's are never by RPM. HP is a calculation of torque and RPM, if RPM is not known, how exactly is the HP being calculated o.O

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thewird

ErnieT 03-17-10 06:04 AM

The 4202 flows 87lbs of air/min, but at what boost? The flow chart is when the turbo is flowing at its best. It doesn't mean you can't push the turbo beyond. Not saying this dyno is true or not, but pointing this out to ya.

ErnieT 03-17-10 07:34 AM

More reasons you can't just go by a flow chart....
You don't know what kind of timing he's running
An aftermarket UIM can yeild as much as 50rwhp
Different porting can yield as much as 100rwhp (ie..Semi PP, bridge, etc..)
And simple things such as his exhaust system will yield more power.

rotary8 03-17-10 07:34 AM

Darkphantom's dyno
 
Bring that to the japtrix dyno and we will check it out to see if this is real i would believe it if it was a 3 rotor motor but not a 13b and not at 20 lbs i would have to go with the rest of the guys and give this the thumbs down.

ErnieT 03-17-10 07:45 AM

A better known more accepted dyno would be a dynojet. That way you could do SAE, corrected, std...

darkphantom 03-17-10 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by Gregory Casimir (Post 9872839)
ha you know you're gonna give me a ride it that beast!

for sure

Originally Posted by lwnslw (Post 9872620)
Looks like the bike was beating you...
The Turnpike is so nice for running... Better chance if you guys would have been heading south instead of north...

yeah he pulled a bike on me before i let off.

oh and heres the dyno vid sorry correction it was 23lbs and not 20lbs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYTJsT5JDe0

StavFC 03-17-10 08:55 AM

At just 20psi, even in ideal conditions, it would be saying it making what, 300@wheels n/a? From a street ported 13B?

Im not going to cry BS as you can never say never, but im interested, thats for sure.

Gorilla RE 03-17-10 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by StavFC (Post 9873426)
At just 20psi, even in ideal conditions, it would be saying it making what, 300@wheels n/a? From a street ported 13B?

Im not going to cry BS as you can never say never, but im interested, thats for sure.

That theory isn't sound.....

jamespond24 03-17-10 11:08 AM

Damn what porting is done to the motor it boost and rev so quick? Can you pm me your pictures of the porting?

Islander 03-17-10 11:21 AM

Whatever you got in that car..... i will take two of everything. Lol

Liborek 03-17-10 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by thewird (Post 9873155)
So you somehow managed to get the turbo to flow more then it physically can? 87 lbs/min = ~870 piston rwhp / 1.3 = ~669 rotary rwhp max assuming ideal conditions?

I donīt believe that rotary needs 30% more airflow for same power. More yes, but not more than 17%. I assuming it based on BSFC of rotary vs. 4-stroke at given AFR. Also on torque values of all out racing N/A rotaries vs. 4-strokes:egrin:


On the main note anyone remember this?:lol: https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...hlight=700+e85

rotormind 03-17-10 01:05 PM

Sounds like there's no load on the dyno. 4th gear rev just as fast as first.

catch-22 03-17-10 01:20 PM

ok isnt there suppose to be a load on the dynamic? That thing sounded like it wrapped up really quick.

edit-^beat me to it.

NissanConvert 03-17-10 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by jamespond24 (Post 9873642)
Damn what porting is done to the motor it boost and rev so quick? Can you pm me your pictures of the porting?

IIRC, in another thread/video he credited the UIM with the quick throttle response.

haydenw 03-17-10 01:38 PM

Thats because hes in steady state mode and only a speed restriction
You need to do a ramp run but if having traction problems use a faster acceleration rate.
Rx72c needed another 11psi boost to make less horsepower something sounds dodgy

gusfd3s 03-17-10 02:00 PM

is it that car that ran 4x1600 injectors and made 699rwhp?

Im on a similar setup and will be tuning my engine on a superflow engine dyno in a couple of weeks... will be interesting to see!

have fun and take it easy on the roads :nod:


Originally Posted by darkphantom (Post 9872447)
/\ it is.
the other dynoi have if you want me to post the other dyno. That has 663hp but thats at 8000rpms and the dyno present was redline at 9300rpms.

and dont forget the black car that made 699@20lbs. redr1 car with the stock port and my same setup (other than the turbo) with 700hp @ 30lbs.

Thanks for the appreciation ernie



the bike gave me the jump but put a half a bike length before i had to brake cause of the traffic


skir2222 03-17-10 02:01 PM

Well if the bike jumped on you and only had half a length on you then your car should pull some good traps.

Yea thats some pretty quick revvin through the gears on the dyno there... I think you should take it to another dyno just to see the difference between the 2 dynos.

Islander 03-17-10 02:30 PM

My .02 cents

1. I think on April 1st all this is gonna come to light..... APRIL FOOLS......... lol.

2. Or the secret is gonna be billet rotors.. Some of the videos of the als fd have me thinking that they might have snuck some of these rotors in and showing what they can do..

3. In his video, you can watch other videos after his stops. Well there is a vid of a red drag car, think it also says als car somewhere, and it did similiar hp numbers. So maybe they are laughing at us who are trying to figure out the secrets..

thewird 03-17-10 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by ErnieT (Post 9873302)
The 4202 flows 87lbs of air/min, but at what boost? The flow chart is when the turbo is flowing at its best. It doesn't mean you can't push the turbo beyond. Not saying this dyno is true or not, but pointing this out to ya.

At 20 PSi is where I took the number from. Efficiency drops off fast going beyond the chart and I don't believe he is going off the chart with a street port regardless of his special LIM.


Originally Posted by darkphantom (Post 9873417)
for sure

yeah he pulled a bike on me before i let off.

oh and heres the dyno vid sorry correction it was 23lbs and not 20lbs

23 psi is a little more believable. Turbo flows 91 lbs/min which is 700 max rotary rwhp

Think this is a classic case of dyno reads high, owner is happy. Regardless, its just a number, the car is probably a rocket.

thewird

rx72c 03-17-10 04:19 PM

23psi and 737rwhp?

Thats bloody huge power.

I dont know if my eyes are playing tricks on me but i could see roughly 1.5 on ATMC correction.
Its the green field which tells you how much the dyno is correcting the power figure.

Congratulations mate. Thats a bloody well done and a half.

R3AL.CH1CK3N 03-17-10 05:10 PM

That's some sick response. I look forward to some more vids.

ronbros3 03-17-10 06:15 PM

the Underground Gallardo is fast,, right down the street from me , same guy with the 6speed supra, at 246 st. mile, he got some of the fastest cars in USA.

course im jealouse

darkphantom 03-17-10 08:02 PM

thewird. This is why i ran the bike to see if my horsepower figures were right. If they weren't i would of gotten beaten pretty bad.


Originally Posted by gusfd3s (Post 9874036)
is it that car that ran 4x1600 injectors and made 699rwhp?
have fun and take it easy on the roads :nod:

yeah 699rwhp @21lbs of boost. is making like 770hp now @ boost unknown


Originally Posted by R3AL.CH1CK3N (Post 9874352)
That's some sick response. I look forward to some more vids.

you will when i get my boost controller & up it to 30lbs ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


Besides me whoelse has that 4 barrell throttlebody?????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????


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