shineautoproject

iTrader: (11)

We do get questions every now and then about replicating an OEM 99-spec bumper and my response was always, "Why?"

The last time I purchased a brand new Mazda OEM 99-spec bumper was through Corksports and it was about $500 (not including front lip or brake ducts). That was years ago, but I can't imagine the price being much different now (I apologize, I haven't checked). I honestly think that is a fair price. We could make one slightly less expensive, but it wouldn't be nearly as good as an OEM bumper. Yes, it will be lighter, but the OEM bumper will be much more durable and has proper provisions for a ton of stuff. A replica of it in our hybrid FRP just wouldn't be nearly as good for such a small price difference. The brand new OEM bumper also comes primered! Just sand and paint. Any other after-market bumper, including the urethane plateless bumpers, which are nowhere near OEM quality btw, will need prepping before primering.


Is there interest for brand new 99-spec bumpers and accessories for it at a fair price? We can try to get these ordered from Japan and stock them here.

Thoughts? Feedback?

kensin

iTrader: (22)

I know I want ,and will purchase the 99spec front end conversion within the next year , source however is still a question

if you can stock them up and sell at a good price (and you are local to me ) i will definitely buy the entire setup minus turn lamp and lip from you

T.Seuf

I was under the impression they are no longer available. Last one on the club here sold in the $2500 price range and there is currently one on eBay (florida) with rebar, lip and signals for $2300.

kensin

iTrader: (22)

you can still get them. just pricy

T.Seuf

Are you referring to NOS through Mazda? If so, what is the price?

T.Seuf

The prices I referenced 3 posts up were in good, but used conditon btw.

Billy7

iTrader: (7)

You can still get them brand new from Japan. I bought mine a few months ago for $1800 shipped. This includes the Bumper, Rebar, Lip, and L/R Brake Ducts.

As Ken has mentioned, $500-$600 isn't a bad price from Corksport for OEM quality.

borisf

RX7 Store also has 99 spec parts.

99 Spec Parts

2188+Shipping for the full set up. (fogs, bumper, rebar, turn signals).


If Shine can make something thats OEM equivalent quality for a lower price, I'd think there would be a lot more people doing the 99 front ends.

kensin

iTrader: (22)

can you hook me up with how you ordered it from japan shipped for that price ?

7krayziboi

iTrader: (15)

+1

Billy7

iTrader: (7)

I got mine from IRP.

Let's get back to the thread. Yes, there would be interest if Shine can create replicas close to OEM quality at a lower price as stated by borisf.

shineautoproject

iTrader: (11)

Rx7store has the bumper for $589 which is a great price.


I just want to be clear about a few things. We CANNOT produce a bumper equivalent to OEM quality. I doubt any other company can either without making large investments. OE manufacturers invest $50-100k for tooling costs (molds) just to produce something like the 99-Spec bumper. There are alot of parameter adjustments and formulations injected into those molds to get the OE quality that you see, which is why I said after-market plateless 99-spec urethane bumpers are nowhere near the quality of an OEM bumper. The only thing WE can produce is a lighter alternative with the same fit, but if our selling price is not much less than an OE bumper (ex. $400), no one will bite. And no one will be able to make anything remotely good and sell for $200. $500-600 is a great price for a brand new, already primered, OE 99-spec bumper.

The price everyone is adding up here is including fog lights, rebar, brake ducts, which are items we won't be able to make anyways. We have to compare apples to apples. You don't need the front rebar to install the bumper. But I believe you need the rebar to install the fog lights.


I will further look into sources and see what I can get a hold of for what price and will get back to you guys.

Jaiyurai

iTrader: (30)

Ken,
There's no need to replicate the OE 99 bumper. It doesn't make much business sense because your profit margin won't be great because the 99 bumper (by itself) is already a great deal. The only reason people are complaining about is that the supply is low but demand is high. The price itself, for OEM quality, is great.

The only thing you could do to help with the current supply issue is to source and stock OEM 99 bumpers and sell them. But there are already 2-3 other vendors doing this and I'm not sure if you guys are in the same market to compete with them.

However, if you guys decide to replicate the new FEED wide body that just came out... I am totally in.

Keep up the great work!

- Kevin

7krayziboi

iTrader: (15)

Thank you sir.

IMO I believe that if you make a 99 bumper for 400$ and fitment is ok , you will sell more of these than any other FD bumper you sold.

kensin

iTrader: (22)

is a 99 undertray needed to properly fit the 99 bumper ?

Billy7

iTrader: (7)

No, it is not needed. I don't run any undertrays on my car.

Jaiyurai

iTrader: (30)

Fitment being 'ok'?

ShineAuto goes that extra step to make sure their products fit better than 'ok'. Often times, their replicas fit better than the originals.
Selling a lot of 'ok' or poor fitment bumpers is going to hurt their reputation for making great fitting quality bumpers.

If you want to be cheap, then buy whats already available on the market via eBay, craigslist, etc..

7krayziboi

iTrader: (15)

Sure....

Yes I'm cheap , Please tell me where I can buy a 99 bumper (with front license plate) already available on the market via eBay , Craigslist , etc.... ***that is cheaper****than 600$ + crazy shipping.

And it might even be harder for us(Canadian) with the rumours of new border tax...

I hands down prefer OEM, but I would take a 99 replica (with front license plate ) anytime ( as long as fitment is ok ) But it doesn't exist.

Original ones are hard to find.
I wouldn't be talking if Corksport was still open,
But any other available ones , shipping is almost the same as the bumper itself.

Edit: I don't want to argue more.

I would definitely be interested in a 99 replica from ShineAuto

7_rocket

iTrader: (6)

If this doesn't happen, there is a guy who sells them with the plate on FB.

shineautoproject

iTrader: (11)

I guess that's what this thread is about. Responding to demand where we can and see fit. Rx7store and Corksports are the main retailers who bring them in. However, they sell out quickly because of the high demand. What we're proposing to do is buy 20 at a time and stock them here if the parts are still attainable. I am only interested in the front bumper and not the extra accessories to go with it, unless Rx7store drops the ball on those items.

I guess what I am trying to say is, there are very few people who see the value in paying $400 for a replica bumper that has to be sanded and then primered (extra cost at the body shop... at least another $100) vs. paying $500-600 for an authentic one that does come primered and will cost you less to paint. Effectively, you're going to end up paying the same price for a product valued much less.

As of right now, it seems your issue is availability. What I am proposing is rather than replicating this, we should look into sourcing and stocking OEM 99-spec bumper because it is simply better value for most consumers. If we had brand new 99-spec bumpers right now for sale and readily available @ $550, I don't see anyone in the right mind passing up on that deal to get a $400 replica bumper. Now if 99-spec bumpers are discontinued or somehow priced at $1000 now, then you would definitely have a valid point.


If we can stock OEM 99 bumpers, we can combine shipping with our other goods which we have a large customer base for and help you guys save on shipping. Presumably, you can buy a 99 spec bumper and a lip from us instead of buying a lip from us and pay $65 for shipping and then buying a 99 spec bumper from Corksports or Rx7store and paying shipping on that. The 99-spec bumper is a classic Rx7 piece and will always be in demand. We're just seeing what we can do tell help you guys get this more cost effectively in your hands and in a reasonable amount of time.

tbkonwso

iTrader: (4)

the same guy that hasn't shipped my friends cf ridox pieces in for 11 month.. and refuses to refund him the money.

good luck.. his bumper will crack within couple month has well ask me how i know.

i use to sell body kits in containers for eurobuni and vis racing, shines stuff is top notch, its like comparing lexus vs a civic.

replicating the 99 bumper is a bad idea from a business sense.

i have the oem and urethene bumper on my cars and oem quality easy of install and fitment over the plateless anyday!

i'm waiting for a rep of the new feed kit lol...

7_rocket

iTrader: (6)

Ah, well look at that. I guess you can't trust what these guys say on FB groups.

kensin

iTrader: (22)

do it ken ill buy one right away along with your 99lip

Zepticon

iTrader: (1)

Why bother buying it from you when they can get them right from the dealer is my question
Trying to be the devils advocate, what can you offer that a dealer cant?
- Part# are available online
- Full JDM EPC is available
- Swap is well documented
- Dealer is local, so no shipping is needed

Im not trying to be an ***, as i want as many RX-7 vendors as possible to keep the platform alive, but i fail to see why buing them from you would be better than a dealer option, and thats important to why i would consider buying from you?
- Do you have better prices?
- Do you offer "kits" with rebar, lips, ducts and lights? (like Corksport did/does)

7_rocket

iTrader: (6)

Nothing fits better than OEM.

If the bumper is $400, honestly why bother? Just pay the extra $189 and you get OEM quality.




Unfortunately in Canada the dealer can only get parts for 1993-1995 FD's.