Autolite Spark Plug Experience?
Has anyone tried Autolite sparkplugs? Particularly the AR 3933?
I need a thick threaded section with a 5/8” hex so I can install a pressure sensor. The equivalents below are from Chuck Westbrook’s tuning notes. AUTOLITE PLUGS, normal electrode, 14mm, 3/4" reach, 5/8" hex. Non-resistor, AR3935 = NGK 7 heat range, AR3934 = NGK 8 heat range AR3933 = NGK 9 heat range AR3932 = NGK 10 heat range AR3931 = NGK 11 heat range Thanks, Barry |
Geez, the 3932 are only $2.99 each. Never heard of anyone running autolites.
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They are used in the 454 BB and the Hemi as their racing plug.
Barry |
Right, I just never heard of anyone using them in rotaries.
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Originally Posted by Barry Bordes
(Post 8300278)
Has anyone tried Autolite sparkplugs? Particularly the AR 3933?
I need a thick threaded section with a 5/8” hex so I can install a pressure sensor. The equivalents below are from Chuck Westbrook’s tuning notes. AUTOLITE PLUGS, normal electrode, 14mm, 3/4" reach, 5/8" hex. Non-resistor, AR3935 = NGK 7 heat range, AR3934 = NGK 8 heat range AR3933 = NGK 9 heat range AR3932 = NGK 10 heat range AR3931 = NGK 11 heat range Thanks, Barry |
Originally Posted by Jack
(Post 8301788)
I run the AR3933...work great.
What is the highest boost your have run with them. Barry |
What I am trying to do is to install a 3000 psi sensor into the spark plug rim so I can do Brake Mean Effective Pressure (BMEP) testing.
I think the plug will work in vacuum OK but I am worried about boost. Has anyone used it to say 16 psi? Barry http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/l...6-2662_IMG.jpg |
i have used the 9 and 10 heat range. they work fine around one bar and i have not tested them at higher boost levels. i only run the NGK 6725s for higher boost. good luck on your very important project.
howard |
Whats the output of that 3k sensor? 0-5v?
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Originally Posted by howard coleman
(Post 8306731)
i have used the 9 and 10 heat range. they work fine around one bar and i have not tested them at higher boost levels. i only run the NGK 6725s for higher boost. good luck on your very important project.
howard Thanks Howard, that is a good pressure to start with.
Originally Posted by CrackHeadMel
(Post 8306984)
Whats the output of that 3k sensor? 0-5v?
We need 360 degrees X 8000 rpm = 48,000 samples per second. Does anyone have any suggestions on a reasonably priced 60K sample/sec data acquisition unit in that range? Barry |
Yeah, i was thinking about logging, but knew even if it was 0-5v that my innovate hardware would be far far to slow
48k samples a second, thats alot of information.... |
Originally Posted by Barry Bordes
(Post 8301795)
Thanks Jack.
What is the highest boost your have run with them. Barry |
Originally Posted by Jack
(Post 8312882)
14 psi
The AR 3933 plug with its thick threaded area and 5/8" small hex allow it to be drilled for the sensor... but what good would that do if it introduced other issues during testing? Still looking for an inexpensive 60K/sec data acquisition device! Barry |
innovative has a couple datalog boxes, dunnno if its 60k/sec though
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If you have a laptop, you can get a PCMCIA data acquistion card:
http://sine.ni.com/nifn/cds/view/mai...id/1036/ap/daq or a USB card: http://sine.ni.com/nifn/cds/view/mai...id/1036/ap/daq There are a lot of cheaper options than Natiaonl Instruments if you check around. So, do the Autolite plugs require a turned down socket to fit inside the rotor housing? Glenn |
Originally Posted by glemmers
(Post 8313609)
If you have a laptop, you can get a PCMCIA data acquistion card:
http://sine.ni.com/nifn/cds/view/mai...id/1036/ap/daq or a USB card: http://sine.ni.com/nifn/cds/view/mai...id/1036/ap/daq There are a lot of cheaper options than Natiaonl Instruments if you check around. Thanks Glenn, I'll study that approach. So, do the Autolite plugs require a turned down socket to fit inside the rotor housing? Glenn Barry |
In my experience they don't foul as easily as NGK. They work well for the initial stages of tuning.
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Originally Posted by glemmers
(Post 8313609)
If you have a laptop, you can get a PCMCIA data acquistion card:
http://sine.ni.com/nifn/cds/view/mai...id/1036/ap/daq or a USB card: http://sine.ni.com/nifn/cds/view/mai...id/1036/ap/daq There are a lot of cheaper options than Natiaonl Instruments if you check around. Glenn http://www.starting-point-systems.com/specs.html Barry |
Hello guys,
I know you are considering these plugs more so you can perform pressure tests with them but I have a question. Do they work lengthwise on the 13B without modifications in the trailing and leading positions? I am trying to tune my car at around 14-15psi right now and my plugs are fouled which is making it impossible. Not to mention that the stock spark plugs cost an arm and a leg(about $150) and are not the right temperature rating for a boosted car(7L and 9T). I have been looking for some 9 leading and 10 trailing so I could replace the ones in my car at least until I get it tuned properly Will these work? Thanks in advance. Chris |
Originally Posted by ChrisRX8PR
(Post 8316772)
Hello guys,
I know you are considering these plugs more so you can perform pressure tests with them but I have a question. Do they work lengthwise on the 13B without modifications in the trailing and leading positions? Yes, they are slightly shorter than BUR 9EQ. I am trying to tune my car at around 14-15psi right now and my plugs are fouled which is making it impossible. Not to mention that the stock spark plugs cost an arm and a leg(about $150) and are not the right temperature rating for a boosted car(7L and 9T). I have been looking for some 9 leading and 10 trailing so I could replace the ones in my car at least until I get it tuned properly Will these work? I usually use BUR9EQ leading and BR10EIX trailing, about $7 each. Thanks in advance. Chris Sounds like you just have to lean it out some. I could send you my Excel program for tuning if you were using a PFC. Barry |
Originally Posted by Barry Bordes
(Post 8317027)
Sounds like you just have to lean it out some. I could send you my Excel program for tuning if you were using a PFC. Barry I am actually talking about an RX-8 engine so no PFC. I have a Microtech LT-10X and I am running LS2 Coils. I am using a 70mm turbo and running about 14psi at the moment. I will be going with meth injection once I get the car dialed at 14psi so I can push it to around 20psi. Any other suggestions? Thanks. Chris p.s. Do those plugs you suggest have the "gap-able" tab on them or do they just have the center electrode and the cross? |
Originally Posted by Barry Bordes
(Post 8314239)
http://sine.ni.com/nips/cds/view/p/lang/en/nid/14605 instead. Comes with software for $40 more. Glenn |
Originally Posted by ChrisRX8PR
(Post 8317194)
Thanks for the info Barry.
I am actually talking about an RX-8 engine so no PFC. I have a Microtech LT-10X and I am running LS2 Coils. I am using a 70mm turbo and running about 14psi at the moment. I will be going with meth injection once I get the car dialed at 14psi so I can push it to around 20psi. Any other suggestions? Thanks. Chris p.s. Do those plugs you suggest have the "gap-able" tab on them or do they just have the center electrode and the cross? Here are the AFR targets that I shoot for. Barry http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/l...s/AFRTable.gif |
Originally Posted by glemmers
(Post 8317291)
It looks to me like there is no supplied software to control the daq. If you are a programer, maybe this is not a big deal. At 149 Eur ($231), I would lean towards:
http://sine.ni.com/nips/cds/view/p/lang/en/nid/14605 instead. Comes with software for $40 more. Glenn |
Originally Posted by glemmers
(Post 8317291)
It looks to me like there is no supplied software to control the daq. If you are a programer, maybe this is not a big deal. At 149 Eur ($231), I would lean towards:
http://sine.ni.com/nips/cds/view/p/lang/en/nid/14605 instead. Comes with software for $40 more. Glenn Thanks Glenn, I went to see a avionics friend for advice. I am trying to learn as much as possible before making additional purchases. He wants study the output of the sensor with an oscilloscope. Unfortunately it is out for calibration. We will on it as soon as it comes back. Barry |
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