the shorter seal height could also be used for sprung weight reduction...?
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Shorter seal height makes me think they could have tweaked the eccentricity of the housing for less seal travel and less groove wear.
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The new 2 piece seal that replaces the 3 piece, will it seal as well?
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Originally posted by j9fd3s yes and another plus for planes is that if you loose a rotor, its still running on the other one(s), unlike say throwing a rod in a piston engine mike Since a two-rotor engine operating on only one rotor only produces about 35% power, throttling back to decrease the vibes will leave you with not enough power to maintain altitude. This will increase your glide distance, but if there's no landing strip within gliding distance you'll be doing an off-airport landing. This actually happened about 8 weeks ago to a guy named Chuck Dunlap. He was on his way to Arlington Wa. in his 13B-powered RV6 kitplane. While over the grand canyon a dowel pin in the Pinneapple racing-supplied secondary intake actuator worked loose and was ingested by the engine. This destroyed his rotor and housing. He was able to glide to a hwy and make an emergency landing, but a truck got in his way and in avoiding a collision his landing was rough enough to slightly damage one wingtip. It's true that if these engines overheat they won't seize, which is good in aircraft. But the engine will need to be replaced after landing. The only other failure modes are fuel starvation, electrical failure, and apex seal failure. As long as you don't overboost them and as long as you run premix instead of that crud from the oil pan to lube the apex seals (and don't ingest any foriegn object debris) the apex seals will hold up just fine. |
Originally posted by voodooracing the shorter seal height could also be used for sprung weight reduction...? thats what they did since the 8 has a higher redline |
Originally posted by Aviator 902S as long as you run premix instead of that crud from the oil pan to lube the apex seals (and don't ingest any foriegn object debris) the apex seals will hold up just fine. Some of the second gen guys don't agree. |
i really wanna see the testings of mazdatrix and know if they will work in the other 13Bs
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Originally posted by The_7 i really wanna see the testings of mazdatrix and know if they will work in the other 13Bs they will if you machine the apex seal slots |
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Originally posted by 88IntegraLS Ha ha, "crud from the oil pan", perfect way to say it. I knew the aviation rotary engine builders disabled the crankcase oil injection! Crud is right. When that stuff burns, it leaves behind all the dirt and acid held in suspension, which cakes the rotor with soot. "Hot spots", anyone? Some of the second gen guys don't agree. mike |
They also had 3-piece ceramic apex seals and the engines were torn down after every race...
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maybe it was a rule thing?
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As long as there is enough casting(material) around the apex groove left after milling to accomodate the regular height seals they should work fine in earlier motors. Can't wait to see the results from Dave at Mazdatrix.
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hey i got the new 2pc mazda seals in my engine and my compression SUCKS! =(
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Alum. rotor
Originally posted by 88IntegraLS So what exactly is the reason alloy rotors would melt? Forged alloy pistons are regularly used in Honda engines. (ha ha, I am a honda owner too. :) ) Isn't the reason rotary exhaust gas temps are higher than piston temps is because rotaries don't burn the air/fuel as long and expel it out the exhaust earlier than a piston engine would? Piston engines run leaner, too, meaning higher actual combustion temps. |
Oh I forgot to mention the teflon piston that has been under developement for years now. May be rotary can skip alum. and go straight to teflon in the future. :)
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or ceramic~ *#&$@!!
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or ceramic~ *#&$@!!
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Originally posted by mazdized Oh I forgot to mention the teflon piston that has been under developement for years now. May be rotary can skip alum. and go straight to teflon in the future. :) The ones that everyone had bored out to build monster vegas w/ stock motors (not talking about BBC Vegas) because the teflon had a tendency to chip off and trash motors... At least that's what memory tells me. |
Originally posted by peejay They also had 3-piece ceramic apex seals and the engines were torn down after every race... |
Originally posted by j9fd3s while its far from conclusive the factory used a metering pump on the 787's mike |
Originally posted by Kenku The point could be made that more than likely Mazda had whichever oil company was sponsoring them brew up a special blend of oil specificially for that motor which would eliminate any problems of injecting motor oil into the engine... ;) |
Originally posted by j9fd3s if there are any in the first place |
Originally posted by j9fd3s if there are any problems with injecting motor oil into the engine in the first place {clar.} |
Oh, that. My bad.
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