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moby_rotary 05-21-06 07:26 AM

20b vs 13b
 
as the topic why would any1 would wanna get a 20b when u can have the same amount of power from a 13b. i was jus reading sumwhere cant remember where but a 20b maxes out at 1200whp....a 13b would can do the same....so wuts the big hype about?

Kim 05-21-06 10:52 AM

More rotors, bearings, oil, water etc to take the beating = less stress
At those hp# i doubt anyone takes reliability into consideration :)

rotaryinspired 05-21-06 06:30 PM

no turbos over 300hp at the wheels w/ a street port and higher comp. rotors. enough said.

GUITARJUNKIE28 05-21-06 10:58 PM


Originally Posted by moby_rotary
as the topic why would any1 would wanna get a 20b when u can have the same amount of power from a 13b. i was jus reading sumwhere cant remember where but a 20b maxes out at 1200whp....a 13b would can do the same....so wuts the big hype about?


show me one dyno sheet from a 1000+ hp 13b. just one.

t-von 05-21-06 11:28 PM


Originally Posted by moby_rotary
as the topic why would any1 would wanna get a 20b when u can have the same amount of power from a 13b. i was jus reading sumwhere cant remember where but a 20b maxes out at 1200whp....a 13b would can do the same....so wuts the big hype about?



Simple rule, there's no replacement for displacement. Ask yourself this question, would you rather have 500 hp with a 5.7L engine or 500hp with a 2.4L? Which one do you think would be more durable in the long run and have more torque for better drive ability?

FD3S2005 05-21-06 11:55 PM

how much is a 20b to be install n built in the car

GUITARJUNKIE28 05-22-06 03:04 AM

if you have to ask, you can't afford it ;)

t-von 05-22-06 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by GUITARJUNKIE28
if you have to ask, you can't afford it ;)



I actually hate replies like this. It's not too expensive provided your capable of doing some things yourself and you take the necessary time to properly research the conversion.

FD3S2005 05-22-06 05:26 PM

didnt answer my question tho.. i know its expensive stupid ass.. you could just give me a str8 answer instead of being a dick

GUITARJUNKIE28 05-22-06 08:03 PM

i would have if you weren't being a bitch.

~15-20k to do it up nice

aussiesmg 05-22-06 10:00 PM

Damn I hate that, can't find my dyno sheet for my friends 74 Corolla 2 door seadn Green with 13BT making 996 RWHP, car is in Australia, named kermit, owner was Dr Gavin Jensen.

94RHDFD 05-22-06 10:10 PM

[QUOTE=GUITARJUNKIE28

~15-20k to do it up nice[/QUOTE]

If you can do most of the custom work yourself~ 30-40k if you want a turnkey

GUITARJUNKIE28 05-23-06 05:57 AM

i've done 3 rotor swaps for less than half that. 30-40k is enough to get you a superbling monster :)

moby_rotary 05-24-06 03:25 PM

first, rx7 doesnt need a lot of torque coz it weighs so less

second, i couldnt find 1200whp but i did find http://www.catenet.net/graph.php?car...1&SUBMIT=GRAPH, in which there is an rx7 putting out 650whp which i think is pretty good coz it prolly runs 6-7 secs on a 1/4mile, im not sure about the fastest 20b but it cant be a lot better than that....n as far as the reliability goes....no1 cares about that if they are aiming for that high whp numbers...

also, wouldnt it be great if we can have sumthing like spoon or forged aluminum or titanium rotary block...jus imagin the possibilities. :)

GUITARJUNKIE28 05-25-06 02:03 AM

2700-3k lbs isn't exactly light...

evelhalo 05-25-06 06:53 AM

ya for real, most of the small sports cars (i use the term loosely) lik civic, integra, arent significantly heavier, otary owners all seem to think the fc is a crotch rocket or somethin

bzflag 05-25-06 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by moby_rotary
first, rx7 doesnt need a lot of torque coz it weighs so less

second, i couldnt find 1200whp but i did find http://www.catenet.net/graph.php?car...1&SUBMIT=GRAPH, in which there is an rx7 putting out 650whp which i think is pretty good coz it prolly runs 6-7 secs on a 1/4mile, im not sure about the fastest 20b but it cant be a lot better than that....n as far as the reliability goes....no1 cares about that if they are aiming for that high whp numbers...

also, wouldnt it be great if we can have sumthing like spoon or forged aluminum or titanium rotary block...jus imagin the possibilities. :)

650 isn't exactly 1200. It's not even close. And there is no way it runs a 6-7 second quarter mile. It says in the specs on the car it weighs 2600 pounds. Actually now that I think about it I shouldn't have even replied.

aussiesmg 05-25-06 03:10 PM

Kermit ran 9.9 at 650 hp, before the BIG turbo, at Calder Park in Melbourne.

Adam P 05-27-06 11:49 PM

so everyones saying 20Gs to put in a 20b .....hmmm theres no cheaper way???

GUITARJUNKIE28 05-28-06 12:09 AM

sure there's a cheaper way, but why do something half-ass?

TonyD89 05-28-06 12:27 AM

I like crispeeds(sp?) curve. What,s up with that?! I want to know what he has going on. All the way to 10k?!

the_glass_man 05-28-06 10:27 PM


Originally Posted by t-von
Simple rule, there's no replacement for displacement. Ask yourself this question, would you rather have 500 hp with a 5.7L engine or 500hp with a 2.4L? Which one do you think would be more durable in the long run and have more torque for better drive ability?

It depends, which one is lighter, smaller/compact and cheaper and easir to rebuild? :D

t-von 05-29-06 12:05 AM


Originally Posted by the_glass_man
It depends, which one is lighter, smaller/compact and cheaper and easir to rebuild? :D



It's size advantage would be no advantage if you over stress the smaller engine therefore causing more frequent rebuilds which in turn can be even more expensive. ;)

peachykeenwight 05-29-06 12:37 AM


Originally Posted by moby_rotary
first, rx7 doesnt need a lot of torque coz it weighs so less

second, i couldnt find 1200whp but i did find http://www.catenet.net/graph.php?car...1&SUBMIT=GRAPH, in which there is an rx7 putting out 650whp which i think is pretty good coz it prolly runs 6-7 secs on a 1/4mile, im not sure about the fastest 20b but it cant be a lot better than that....n as far as the reliability goes....no1 cares about that if they are aiming for that high whp numbers...

also, wouldnt it be great if we can have sumthing like spoon or forged aluminum or titanium rotary block...jus imagin the possibilities. :)

Way to just post a bunch of bullshit, lol.

Juiceh 05-29-06 03:05 AM

20b = more torque, and quicker revving... Take a 500HP 13b car and a 500HP 20b car both with identical chassis and weight except for the 20b car being slightly heavier due to the engine. Do a pull from 40mph to 100mph I bet the 20b car will win every time.


Originally Posted by moby_rotary
wouldnt it be great if we can have sumthing like spoon or forged aluminum or titanium rotary block...jus imagin the possibilities. :)

Racing Beat makes aluminum side housings, so this is possible already. You will need deep pockets for them, but supposedly they don't wear at all. I may be using them in my next project.


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