got killed by an LS1 WS6 in my FD...
 

well i took out my 1300cc secondaries today and put the stock injectors back in and tuned the boost back to stock levels. (Selling the injectors) So i decide to drive the car around and cruise for a bit... i stop by my friends house with a LS1 WS6 w/intake everything else is stock. He bugs the hell out of me to race him, so i decide to run him one time to satisfy his needs.

anyways, he wants to pull from a 1st gear 20mph roll, in which i agreed... so after 3 honks we gun it and he jumps out half a car on me, then he shifts to 2nd and gets a little less than a car on me, im basically leveled at his rear bumper.... everytime i shifted gears i would gain a little bit, but soon after he would just gain it back...we reach 85mph and shut down and im still at the rear of his bumper.... i really tried my best


my power mods are efini twins and y-pipe, greddy intake, blitz FMIC, downpipe, midpipe w/ RESTRICTOR PLATES (since i didnt port my wategate), racing beat dual-tip and PFC street tuned on stock boost, since i took out my 1300 secondaries.

Now he's talking tons of crap about how he burned me real bad with his stock ls1... :mad:

i never raced an ls1 before, and dont really know much about them, i know im not the best of a driver, but is my car capable of beating ls1's on stock injectors?? also, should i be pretty embarrassed that i lost to a stock car?? any input would be appreciated...

Sean

hey to me your car is pretty stock 2 your still on stock boost which isnt much at all. So ya stock for the stock the ls1 is pushing more power but if you up the boost on your car you would beat him. And no you should not be ashamend of loosing again your on stock boost with just a few mods. dont even worry about it just tell him to come to the boards and pick on someone his own size. nice race though.

+1

Get another board member who's local, they'll destroy his stock LS1 and you'll feel much better. :)

thanx guys for the input... the crazy part is, is that my friend had 3 rx7's, all of them were NA FC's... he was the one who introduced me into the rx7 scene, and ever since he bought a WS6 (he was suppose to buy an 93 R1) he's been raggin on me about my rx7 and how his ls1 can smoke my car... he totally lost all the love for the rotary...

now i want to put the injectors back in and have a little rematch...

The only time I raced a WS6 resulted in a sort of 'tie' I guess, but I just outran him...had more balls or something 'cuz he backed out of it around 140 or so. I'd just turned on to my road going home and this WS6 was turning onto the same road from the opposite direction.
He romped on it and went to pass, so I romped on it hard and just stayed in it, he pulled out about 2 car lengths at first and I slllllllllllloooooooooowwwwwwwwwllllllllyyyyyyy caught up to him and then passed him.
I had the feeling he'd have ate me up from a dead stop...easy.

just race a ls1 fd so whoever wins
can say the 7 cant lose :lol:

LMAO

You shouldn't be surprised just because the forum makes it seem like any ol' FD can go out and beat an LS-1....because it's not true (as you learned).

As far as this comment: I'm making 305-310 rwhp at 10 psi....stock is 215-220 rwhp. Your comment comes off as making excuses....

LS-1s are no joke, even when they're mounted in a 3500 lb F-body.

Get some other injectors and raise the boost!

i lost to a ls1 with bolt ons like lid cut out and headers and all the basic free mods when i was bolt ons but i had a calapsped cat and only boosted 5 pounds lol and i was still at his rear bumper though the whole way i murdered him when i went mid pipe :)

why did u take out youtr injectors?

i am not gonna make excuses for u..well i guess i am. i bet your car isnt running right after u changed out the injectors. did u change the setting on the power fc? u have similar mods to me and i know that i would put several bus lengths on a stock ls1. shit i beat one when i only had a dp....it was a buddy and we did it several times...1st gear rolls too. although my car is a low mileage clean example.

even on low boost of 10psi u are looking at 300 rwhp and 2700lbs vs a 320rwhp and 3500....that should be an easy win.

is your car a hoopty? seems like most fds are these days. its a pet peeve of mine to see these pos running around and giving fd a bad name.

+1, i'm always surprised at the ppl that think cars with them are so slow just because of the weight and they will always beat one.

hmmm ....two factors largely effect a cars straightline acceleration....rwhp and weight. so i have no idea where u are comign from with the above post.

Ive got a buddy with a Formula Firebird. Thing doesnt look that great from the outside, but he redid the body in fiberglass, and did some work to the motor. Forged internals, different crank, different head. WS6 package, edlebrock shorty headers, and borla pipes. Hes putting about 450 to the ground, and that sucker hauls. 11.85 at the track was the last time I heard. Probably around 3000-3200lbs, maybe down to 2900. LS1's arent anything to laugh at, but they arent the almighty killer that some people make them out to be. The LS7 though, yeah...watch out for that bad boy. Especially if its been anywhere near Lignenfelter performance.

I would say just up your grip all around (say 10-20 wider, eg. 225-245), remove some weight, and put a couple more psi of boost into the engine. You would probably take him then.

Yeah, nt matty, but more than just rwhp and weight affect acceleration. You are right that weight plays a role, but remember, theres torque too. And the LS1 puts out just abit more than the 13b-t that sits in the FD. So even though he has 3500 lbs of car, he has about 350 ft lbs of torque. I dont know the spec on the FD, but I believe its somewhere around 220-260 (please give me a number, thats just a random out of my ass guess) In a car that weighs just a little bit less. That and the Firebird was pretty much made for straight line, in the gearing department. If i have the ratios right, its a 2.79 in first, 1.8 in second, 1.4 in third, 1 in fourth, .8 in fifth, and around .6 in 6th. That and a 3:1 rear end, combined with the torque it has still puts it at a pretty quick clip when you nail the gas.

With 300 to the wheels I beat mostly LS1's pretty bad (4 cars lengths?).
Power to weight. Do the math.
The only car that beat me so far has been an LS1, but he had heads/ cam and the word is a 150 shot nos. I say all the mods in your FD dont mean much if its not TUNED!

i am nopt gonna get in to the whole weight horsepower torque arguement. all i know that that everytime u tell me a cars weight and rwhp i can tell u what they run. me and my buddies have 3 differenct cars...rx7 transam and z06....each of them run very close to what the calculators say they can run and all it askes for is rwhp and weight. does gearing and aero matter? of course it does but not nearly as much as the other two. not even close. this deabte is the typical internet car forum gibberish. i klnwo the answer and dont care what others think so i am done.

by the way...800lbs is significant difference when comparing fd to f bdoy.

amen.
yeah i know...dont u just love logic.

:rlaugh: :rlaugh: :rlaugh:

i appreciate your input, but,

if you re-read the post, it clearly states that i took out my injectors because i'm selling them... i'm selling my car with the stock injectors in...

yes i changed the settings on my power fc, back to stock boost levels, increased the oil injection by 10%, and got the cooling fans set at 89 Degrees C, nothing more... do i think my car is running right?? probably not, my stock injectors have 179k mi on them and dont look to good enough shape, but that was something i didnt add in my thread, because people like you would assume i was just making up excuses...

im pretty sure you are putting bus lengths on stock ls1's, especially since you are running 360rwhp, so really you cant compare my car with yours....

is my car a hoopty? dont quite understand what that means, but im guessing that's an insult... and for the record i am not one of them (pos) in which you greatly despise of, i see plenty of them run around from where i live, and i never disrespect them in any way nor insult them, just give them a :icon_tup: for having interest in the 7....

Sean

W/ larger injectors and proper tuning 15 psi would have been a nightmare for the WS6. Even w/ a bolt-on modded variety. A modded rotary is only as strong as it tune. G

well i didnt see part that u were selling car...i only saw that u were selling the injectors. either my comprehension sucks or u left out that detail. Either way why not just sell the car as a completel setup. are u parting everything out or just decided to sell the $75 injectors seperately?

well complaining on internet that your buddy is smoking your half ass fd doesnt make a ton of sense either. does it? obviously your fd isnt setup right. i beleive ther eis a setting in the power fc to adjust for injector size. did u change that?

a 300rwhp fd would eat a stock fbodty badly..u have the mods to be at that level yet probably arent making that.

i beat one when i only had dp as well. point is a PROPERLY runnign lightly modded car can beat one and thats the question u asked thus its answered. i consider your car to be more then lightly modded. i get annoied when people post on losing when their car is 1) setup like shit, 2) tuned like shit, or 3) have a million miles on stock parts. on the forum these days most cars fit one if not all of the above criteria....what a fucking shame!

really im thinking about parting the car if i dont get any bids on it...

but anyways, i dont know why harsh comments like "half ass" please you, but if you re-read the whole post again, i didnt make the thread to complain that i lost. i was simply sharing my experience with you, and wanted opinions and input to know if my car is capable of beating an ls1, because i dont know anything about them. From your experiences as well as others, i now know that my car is capable of winning and there's obviously something wrong with it. something i gotta look into now...