well you'll pay way more $ for your 13B REW and have less torque
and then you'll spend $ on rebuilding the bitch

 

Yup mark57, check out my avatar, thats mine... it was out of my car about 2 months ago when I was doing some other mods. Anyways, just keep sucking eachother off. You people **** me off so I opined, and now you're slinging bullshit from god knows where (mark57). Mr. profile analyst automatically assumes I'm in high school, and assumes my NA RX7 is my only ride. This isn't the first car I've built up and when I'm done I'll gladly prove my point, until then, keep slinging ****, I'm not going to read it.

 

I doubt itLet's see some photos of your turbocharged abortion.You keep takin' it in the *** on this thread. ...and proved that you're a ******' idiot. And, you're a ***** because only you should be slinging bullshit and don't like it when it's thrown back at you ten-fold? It's easy enough to assume you're a 21 y.o. high schooler.Wow!Are you certain your mom can kick up your allowance enough so you can put gas in this thing you claim is a car?You'll read it.

 

hey, i like your avatar! get bit for less money! anyway, that right there is why i'm getting off my computer right now...

 

Having owned a 00 Viper R/T, i ASSURE you torque is not just for tractors. But if you prefer a finicky, ticking time bomb over a LS-1 I nominate you for the next Darwin awards.

Seriously though, post more pics of what you are building OR better yet. You live in NC, I live in NC, lets meet up so I can see your mega-turbo ride How bout it?

 

BTW, you look fantastic. I found your pic in the lounge under this thread:
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=305507



BTW, all your other threads are complete garbage.

 

K, you want to hack my account to get my attention? Lets not get this too off topic.

https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...14#post4264014

 

God these v8 haters are freakin nuts man.

I LOVE the rotary to death. One of the major reasons I bought my FC. It's a marvelous piece of engineering, the amount of power a 1.3L can make is absolutely stunning.

HOWEVER. As all the reasons have been mentioned about a LS1 (power vs money, weight, etc etc) my next 7 WILL be V8 powered. It will not be a "half assed" LT1 swap, as I DO want the car to handle well. If it were a vert and a cruising car, I'd have no problem putting in a LT1 or 302 or something.

For the amount of money I'm going to spend on this project, the amount of fabrication time, the amount of blood sweat and tears, I can gurantee I will be 10 times more happy than if I applied the same amount of crap as above to a rotary, I would not be ANYWHERE near as happy. Plus, I wont have the weekly headaches I had with the rotary as well.

Yeah, taking a rotary out does take out the soul of the car. I'm not denying it. But guess what, all engines do the SAME THING. No matter if its a turbine, a piston, a rotor, or even a ******* sterling engine, they are all turning one form of energy into physical energy. They are ALL going to do the same thing. Make the car move. Just in different ways. End of story.

 

WELLLLL THEN

This thread is in a COMPLETELY different turn of events by page 13.... but then again that's expected.

 

I don't see how the LS1 has a broader powerband. The power comes on earlier but it also ends earlier. You have power from 2-6000 instead of 4-8000. So how is that in any way a superior powerband?

If these high-torque low-revving V8's are what it's all about in road racing, why is it that you have low-bottom-end-torque VERY HIGH revving engines in F1 cars? Because that's what's best for road racing, high power, high revs.

Because it doesn't matter at all having power in the low rpms when you are road racing. You're never there. If you had a 13b with power only between 6 and 8k you would have a point, but most 13b's at least have a good 4k rpm powerband, and that's all you need for road racing.

 

Good luck on your project. I hope you cross paths with RubberWang after its finished and drag his bumper down the road and then through the corners to throw salt in the wounds

 

If you were comparing a moderately powered 13b, I would probably say you are close to having a valid argument there...as a sequential 3rd gen's power at 4k can be pretty decent compared to its peak. However, we are talking about 400-450whp 13bs as compared to a 400-450whp LS1. (which will rev to about 6800-7k btw, so its not as shallow as you think) Take a 13b with a ported motor and a t78 or the like. The cars I've seen aren't even at full boost yet by 4k, and are only making in the 230hp range...if that. Are they as peaky as a 4cyl honda? Of course not...but they don't have the area under the curve like a V8 does.

True to an extent...but even in road racing there are times you come out of a low speed turn and the low end grunt will help. There is a thread about this in the "other engines" section about road course testing an LS1/FD. Besides that...how many of the 3rd gens on this board do you think would survive a day of road racing? Spending 30+ minutes at redline or near it? How many owners do you think would sign up to go do that? Not saying there aren't any...because obviously there are. However, most 3rd gens are driven on the street...and the street only. So unless you drive around everywhere on the street banging off the rev limiter...then yes, low rpm horsepower is a good thing to have.

So, in summary...if you ever get the opportunity to drive an LS1/FD, please do it. Even if you would never entertain the idea of swapping your Rx7. It will help you to understand better. I used to say the exact same things you are saying now until I got behind the wheel of 2hotrod's car and drove it. It will slam you to the seat in any gear...at any rpm INSTANTLY, and hold you there until you shift. Don't get me wrong, I like the feel of "boost" but the difference is substantial. As far as racing goes...I'll take a 2k-7k power band over a 5-8k power band any day of the week.

 

I love these threads.

For those who think V8 swaps ruin the handling of your car, may I suggest watching this: http://www.team140.com/gaprun.wmv

This is me driving my LT1/T56 powered 10th Anniversary through Deals Gap.

225s in the front and 275s in the rear. Oh my gosh at the understeer!

BTW Rick, I found a few problems that weren't apparent with my car when we made that video. It's a bit faster now, but I still can't touch the acceleration rate of your FD. My LT1 is still stock!

I did lay the smackdown on a pretty modded F-Body that runs 12.5s a couple of weeks ago though

 

Anyway you put it...V8 swap's are gay... always have been and always will be. There are sooooo many other cool cars you can ruin with a V8.

 

I will participate in this thread, but I won't respond to posts that look like something a 12 year old posted. If I want to argue my point until I'm blue in the face (ie: is too, is not, is too, is not, is too, etc), I'll go visit my brother's kids.

Questions, comments? Remember, post them like an adult and you'll get adult responses.

 

as much as I hate you, RubberWang is just priceless. maybe some sig material there.

What I don't understand though, if you want to go with a piston motor, why not go with a japanese one. The 2JZ or RB26/25/20 are all very good engines.

 

Most people who perform these swaps (myself included), do not go into them blindly. Most of us were raised on Detroit muscle and it's in our blood.

It's all preference. I'm sure a turbo 6 would move an RX-7 along quite nicely, but it doesn't have the sound I have grown to love.

That, and if anything ever does go wrong with it, I can find parts in a 50 mile radius of any town North America.

 

Cool. Thanks for weighing in, Brian. This thread really morphed into a monster, didn't it?

My car is still being re-assembled (not the fault of the LS-1, just lack of care by the previous owner, I think) and when I have it back in a couple of weeks it will have the Hinson Cooling System, Cold Air Intake, and CNC Ported Exhaust Manifolds, along with new CompCams custom ground cam w/ matched lifters, pushrods, and springs, decked/blueprinted block, 3 angle valve job, new rings, new crankshaft, all new bearings, etc.

This should yield at least 20 or so ponies more than it had before. It's liable to have 3rd gear traction problems now, instead of just in 1st and 2nd.

Later,

Rick

 

Rick, did you see my message on the other forum? I've got your Deals Gap T-shirts for you. Gimme a ring when you get some free time and I'll swing 'em by your house.

 

Thanks. I'm working over at least three days this hitch (need money for repair bill) and might even be "pulling a 21", but I'll call you the very next time I'm in town.

 

Nice run, LT1-10AE! Thanks for the vid.

 

Sounds like a plan. Hopefully I'll have a DVD full of video from that weekend for you as well

 

Thanks!

 

I love my 13B, but I can also appreciate the LS1. There is little doubt it out does the 13B in almost every way shape and form. However, I do feel rotaries shouldn't be put down either. A 20b would be a better comparison to an LS1, and I think it compares well.

Red-Rx7, do you have a writeup anywhere of the methods you used to swap in a 20b? Sometime in the next few years I'd like to purchase another 7 with a popped motor and slowly work a 20b in there.

 

We are both in FL, my car should be running by months end (LT1 with a GM Factory performance cam). As soon as you get your car running I would like to invite you to "Bring it".

I will meet you 1/2 way.


And remember, I have the old heavy iron POS, so you should really work me, and this is run what you brung, so make sure and bring enough.