Power steering for drifting
 

K so I just got my T2 Fc and it looks pretty clean but it has some transmission issues that I think I'll resolve by just swapping for a used J-spec motor with about 50-70k on it. But back to the topic at hand I'm going to SCCA in california in several weeks and because I've been pampered and drifted a nissan sr20 with power steering equipped i've never experienced the difficult turning of my Fc w/out Powersteering.I'm looking for advice as to what could fix my problem. Will a quick release make things easier or is it better to drift without the PSteer really someone let me know

quick release? what would that have to do with anything? are you taking your steering wheel off while driving?? you have alot more to worry about when trying to drift the fc PS is the least of your concerns, this car wasnt made to drift. maybe a bit more research into these would of been wise before buying it.

FC's are light weight and have alot of balance between power and handling making them excellent for drifting the only thing is they don't have the most reliable engines as I soon found out after buying ur car but this car is gonna get a nice full makeover. U had oversized injectors and 10 psi with no fuel management and a bunk intake on a completely stock 19 year old engine no wonder the car runs like crap and yeh I got suckered but I'll just have to work to get this car back in good order it's already being painted winning blue and a cusco zero-s damper was put on the day I bought.those filthy rotas are scrap for a set of rays/gram lights .I think u should do more research. these cars are legends for the togue in japan they were made for that kind of stress on the chassis and they're wide wheel bases and steering angle make them good contenders for agressive driving such as grip and drift. and quick release steering wheels aren't only security measures they were designed to allow the driver to spin the wheel and rebound without much effort allowing for easy countersteer and steering corrections. like u said the driver has alot more to worry about than battling it out with their steering wheels I already put the quick release on the car now and the repsonse is a little delayed but I don't have to strain with the wheel due to no powersteering but i plan to use the FD powersteering knuckle to create more extreme angle. This car still doesn't quite measure up to my sil80 yet but it has the pontential I've seen my brother's FC move and this one will do the same but yeh goodluck with ur FD no disrespect to u buddy just that ur car was in pretty lousy shape before I bought it and I had to fix that pitful interior. the trim shop has it scheduled next monday to fix that nasty carpet, I put in the Bride seats from my sil80 and that cluster has been replaced with the stock one which fixed all the bum sensor issues i put on shroutcover around the headlights, it also had re amemiya mirrors put on to replace the ones u had and now i don't have a chip on the side of my mirrors, and new headunit from kenwood was put in also thanks to my friends at best buy urs sucked, and those speakers and shit have a buyer off a forum coming to get them this saturday and I put the stock stereo system back in from my bros FC, oh those pedals were also fixed with sparco carbon fiber ones to give me a better feel for my heel to toe and the mixed match wiper blades were replaced by three new piaa carbon fiber ones. oh and I put in an LCD rear view mirror yesterday with the cam in the back window so i don't have to worry about looking into the trash one u had that started shaking outa of control at highspeed. amber signals were also put in yesterday, oem fogs were also installed to improve my visability at night and looking into a set of 8000k HID after i have the engine work out of the way. I spent almost 2500 alone in the first week I've had this car just getting it to look pretty of course I have friends who help me out so I only ended up spending about 1000 for all that but that's about it but of course the FD would be nice enjoy it =)

and just for the record, the driver's steering preferences are a major concern I mean how can u handle the car if ur not comfortable with the steering and response. Drifting and gripping are all about steering and handling how else can u get thecar to do the things it does w/out proper control. I mean I may be a noob but I went to SCCA driving school 8 months ago not to mention I've been driving with my bro since i was 10 years old and even in go-kart races the kid who had better control of the kart won the race so i'm sure it's safe to assume that a driver who is comfortable with his driving and adept will usually do well

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wth do u mean these cars weren't meant to drift nothing is initially meant to drift, drifting is serious strain on any platform but these cars pull it off quite well i mean damn it may be a cartoon but u need to see at least an episode of intial d or option video or something doode u r seriously misinformed on that subject look at the pics they're kinda whack but they prove my point

http://www.youtube.com/results?search=fc3s
if u don't beleive the pics then go to this page and watch some videos

and if i'm not mistaken the BP falken FC was a major contender in the 2003 D1 series

you obviously dont read well let me quote myself and break it down, YOU HAVE ALOT MORE TO WORRY ABOUT WHEN TRYING TO DRIFT THE FC. see there alot involved in making an fc work yeah ive owned 3, the car was not in anyway a pos you just dont know dick sorry you feel like you got suckered but maybe you should do some research before you buy a car, dont ever fuckin talk shit. my car ran perfect for me never stalled it out once rarely had flooding issues, never cranked the battery dead in the middle of the street. for someone who supposedly knows alot about cars you sure do seem like youre throwing alot of money at this car, new pedals but no rear toe eliminators or any real suspension work? yeah im sure youre the drift king buddy.

I was just reading my brother's threads and man ur real defensive, take a pill before u have a stroke u've been responding on every one of them ur car has gone to a owner who will definitely take care of it and why don''t u stop talkin shit to my brother over a forum dumbass he's made several valid points and everyone is entitled to an opinion he has some shit to learn about these cars sure, everyone has to learn at one point. I've driven my dad's 89 T2 for 8 years now it's ran strong since he bought it in 1990 so he's got some experience backing him ur car was in pretty bunk condition and I told my brother he was an idiot for buying a car from a driver who ran huge injectors with no fuel mangement and 10 psi on a stock 19 year old motor but he didn't wanna back out on his promise so he went to check it out anyway but he knows his shit about drivng technique he placed at the DDay event back home in california at irwindale and went on to the Formula D minor league qualifying rounds in his s13, and the car has a cusco zero-s circuit damper and we're getting ready to do a custom drift steering rack with a Fd powersteering knuckle to give him more angle that's pretty serious suspension work not to mention he bolted on a cusco strut brace and I bought him an anti sway bar, he's pretty devoted to learning more about everything he's even asked a clown like u for idle adjustment advice which made him look like a total newbie but considering he got this junk home from san antonio he did a pretty damn good job for driving a car that dumps fuel with an idle as low as the car had maybe he wouldn't of stalled out if ur idle had been tuned up some ur shit could barely sit for a few minutes before it died evne with fuel problem it was pretty fukin rediculous i'm sure a low baller like u had alot of fun driving it it seems to me u were satisfyed with such low standards with ur bum interior and shit sensors i've never seen such a an electrical mess nothing worked in that car maybe u should of let a professional install ur ricer glow in the dark guages. My brother is right knock ur shit he's driven a car that registers on a scale off the charts compared to this one and in my opinion he should've kept it instead of switching to this whack shit but he got 14k for a badass sil80 last week through ebay and now he'll spend the money wisely to put this FC back together and make it a solid track car so fuk off an get a life the car doesn't belong to u anymore so quit bein a bitch through the internet I mean seriously quit cryin this shit doesn't concern u anymore go fuk up ur FD or whatever u hope to buy now, this car is in very capable hands and it'll be treated like royalty until it goes to the track so go handle ur own business and worry about more important things than some kid who's just giving an opinion.

what a moron come out to a Drift day event in that FD ur gettin and I'll fukin own ur ass don't knock me on driving, As far as I'm concerend at I can't waste my time on getting a car to work properly, the manufactuers are supposed to deal with that shit and that's what i'm acustomed to, not having to flood an engine every five minutes and I'm sure the mazda enigeers did a wonderful job before u decided put on bullshit mods to get cheap gains. a true lowballer, but u sacrificed realiblity for a 2lbs more of boost over the stock limit yeh ur a real automotive genious, what an ass to tell me that taking apart these engines is like legos, piston engines are far more complex than that lame metaphor. considering that so few ppl actually mess with these roatry motors i'm sure it's little more complicated than children's toys. yeh they're so simple that's y they have special divisions for them at UTI a trade school specializing in automechanics. I'm a driver that's what I do I only need to know so much about mechanics that's y drivers have technicians, my steering preferences are just my opinion some ppl like drifting with out Psteer they feel like they have more control i just like the quick response over getting a fore arm workout

Just to jump in for a second..first I know shit About Drifting..BUT ..I have had one Fc Without Power Steering and one FC WITH Power Steering..and I like to go above the legal speed(doesn't everyone?)..Just wanted to say IMO,the car without the Power steering was better handling on the Highway at High speed.I could feel the road better,and it would be Like the car was Glued to the Road...NOW,I have the Fc with power steering,and For in town,It's great!I can manouver with a cup of coffee,while tryin to park,but when out on the Highway,I'm a little more Careful,as the Steering is More Sensitive to your Movement of the Steering Wheel.I can tell you that the steering is Touchy,but over-all,for me,I would take Power steering over Non-Power steering...As for Drifting though,I would most likely be aiming towards Non Power steering,because the of the response, and feel in cornering at Higher speed.YOU would feel more "confident" and the chance of Oversteer would be Less.It would let you know where the car is,and take the guess work of what the car may Want to do...Hope that helps out .(just an Old guy's Point of View..)

Personally, I hate powersteeering, but I can still drift without it. Feeling of the steering wheel isn't removing it, it's getting a manual rack. Don't forget to grease it. But yes, if you feel like a sissy enough. Confidence is all in teh heart. Nothing encourages it. Maybe for autoX, but you gotta use both hands, anyway. As for the tranny thing, I don't think swapping a motor would help fix a transmission.

thanx misterstyx69, every one has preference right? from one drifter to another I appreciate different perspectives but this crassfc guy is threatening me through the internet real big talker to talk mess through a computer considering i'm 300+ miles away from this guy so i'll just say this once the only problems u'll have with me is if u come out here and talk ur shit if not then shut the hell up and quit bitchin.

no it's not the transmission i just want a newer more reliable motor to handle the strain of drifting for a few thousand miles, the tranny issue is just a fact of life u can't drift with a bum tranny so it has to be resolved but the if i want a more reliable motor then i might as well get the whole deal tranny included.

and i should've said this earlier the whole deal with the quick release is that it's uncomfortable with bucket seats cause the hub is extended futher towards me that's my problem but it's a very important safety precaution so i was asking if should go with it or not because will it make for a better driving position to deal with hard turning with no powersteering but it's already equipped and the electric recoil connections allow for quick whip and rebound so that's all i was saying sorry for my error that's was a typo and made me sound like an idiot

its better for the wheel to be closer to you. Not super close, but closer then stock. As for PS, you will need it, when you watch in car vids of pros, their touch on the wheel is light, and quick. They dont have to fight the wheel in any way. Granted when driving no ps feels light, but you will struggle trying to catch the wheel when you have to transverse, and make corrections. 86's dont have ps, but they are also ALOT lighter then our cars making it easier, I also beleive there racks are alot shorter, so lock to lock is very quick. Im not saying it cant be done, I drift without ps, but im no expert. I think the better at car control and weight shifting, the easier it will become. But for a beginner, no ps is tough.

just because its JDM doesnt make it more reliable ....trust me when i say this IVE DONE WHAT UR DOING....rebuild it and street port it ...its cheaper and more REliable ..when i got my jdm t2 i was so happy and i was like its so cool but face it ..its the same injin and i still am going to have to rebuild it in like 6 months nothing really different other then the carb controll units and the wiring is on the other side .....if yu do did it GET the ECU with the injin

yeah dude im the one talking shit, you were the fuckin baby calling me crying after i left and hadnt gotten a mile away saying the car stalled and youd cranked the battery dead, some fuckin car guy you are. if you want to talk shit im gonna say something back if you have a fuckin problem with me or my car you should have said something instead you bought it you signed off and i was cool enough to come back and help you out and drive the car you just bought because you couldnt soooooooo whos the dickhead here????? yeah looking back when you called i should of just said to fuck off but i was nice last fucking time. call and ask for shit asshole i had alot more stuff that was gonna go with that car.

if you guys are going to bitch at each other, please PM, these are the arguments the race tech guys cant stand

so how much of a weight difference is there between an 86 and a 87

turbo23 im not going to let him bash my name then pm him so i look like a asshole scam artist, if he will shut up ill leave it alone ive said what i need to say.

yeh so the car oversteers alot now when I get on the throttle, probably because of the new suspension and it''s current settings but I don't think this car is as powerful as my Sr20 because it has minor mods the only thing I have besides the mods that were there previously is the Apex'i neo afc, greddy front mount, and bee-r mis fire system, and koyo radiator.but these items don't necessarily increase horse power, I think this is because the engine is so compact and so far to the back of the bay that the car may have too much balance for me, plus the car responds more to input than the nissan, I didn't have any real problem hooking it up it just felt really scary around a sweeper I took the other day does any one sugest moving the ballast to make it a little more front heavy or would this create negative consequences

my brother says that I should work on half throttle technique before i do something extreme like moving the ballast but I'm not sure that a technique will drastically change the handling characteristics so i want a second opinion