How many years did the FD dominate in "A" stock?
Greetings,
After reading the sticky at the top of the Race Car Tech forum i was wondering how long the FD was allowed to compete before it was barred? |
The FD has been in SS ever since it's introduction in 1992 (y'know the drill ... '93 model offered in '92). The car was the dominant car from '92 to '96. And from '96 to '00, it was still very competitive. And then came the Z06 ....
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Thanks for the info and excuse my ignorance. I cant understand why the FD cannot be moved to A Stock to compete on a more level playing field. I read the sticky about how sponsers dont want a 10 year old car to compete with their new models and end up embarassing them.
I guess its how much money, and sponsorship pull you have to influence the SCCA from keeping great cars like the FD out so they dont get embarrassed by a 10 year old car. I think Mazda has to step up to the plate on the 4th gen and start backing their product financially. |
Officially, the SCCA hasn't bumped it because there's not enough members clamoring for the change. Off the books, it's kinda hard to justify making a 10-year-old, relatively rare, expensive-to-maintain car be THE car to have in AS. But, they bumped the Boxster S down to AS ... which, IMO, is the same par level as the FD. :scratch:
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You're being polite to the Boxster by saying it's on par with the FD I think ;)
These sorts of requests are made to the SCCA all the time...reading through recent issues of Sports Car, they are constantly refusing requests to move cars from one class to the other. Honestly, I agree with them in this case. If their policy was to grant every request for a class change for a car that "isn't competitive anymore", imagine how disheveled things would be. Maybe it isn't competitive anymore...thems the breaks...time for a new car. |
Originally posted by sctty You're being polite to the Boxster by saying it's on par with the FD I think ;) But, as I stated in the other thread, it would be a prudent move on the SEB's behalf, IMO. The AS participation is sparse ... locally and somewhat nationally. Allowing the non-Z06 C5 and the FD to drop down would make AS a lot more interesting. Ah well ... wishful thinking. :) |
Originally posted by redrotorR1 The FD has been in SS ever since it's introduction in 1992 (y'know the drill ... '93 model offered in '92). The car was the dominant car from '92 to '96. And from '96 to '00, it was still very competitive. And then came the Z06 .... Here are the results from 2000. http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/na...lts/stock.html I can't find results from '92 but I'm nearly positive the FD was in AS. |
Yup. You're right. Here are Nationals results from '92-'01 in both SS and AS:
SS: 2002 Erik Strelneiks Chevrolet Z06 2001 John Ames Chevrolet Z06 2000 Curt Ormiston Chevrolet Corvette 1999 Erik Strelneiks Mazda RX-7 1998 Tom Kotzian Mazda RX-7 1997 Jeff Altenburg Mazda RX-7 1996 Gary Thomason Mazda RX-7 1995 John Ames Mazda RX-7 1994 Jim Harnish Dodge Viper 1993 Roger Johnson Chevrolet Corvette 1992 Tom Kotzian Chevrolet Corvette AS: 2002 Scott McHugh Chevrolet Corvette 2001 Andy McKee Porsche Boxster 2000 Gary Thomason Honda S2000 1999 Paul Kozlak Porsche 968 1998 Matt Murray Porsche 968 1997 Jeff Reitmeir Porsche 944 1996 Bob Tunnell BMW M3 1995 Kevin Bailey Toyota MR2 Turbo 1994 John Ames Mazda RX-7 Turbo 1993 Mark Daddio Mazda RX-7 Turbo 1992 Jeff Altenburg Mazda RX-7 Turbo Sometimes the brain don't work so good .... :banghead: Maybe that's why they don't want to move it to AS. :rolleyes: |
Its competitive too in ASP in my region.
The car to beat is $200K+ Porsche GT2 with 450hp. Even a stock mod RX-7 with r-compound tires can beat it. The GT2 has 335 and 315 width r-compound tires. |
Originally posted by reza Its competitive too in ASP in my region. The car to beat is $200K+ Porsche GT2 with 450hp. Even a stock mod RX-7 with r-compound tires can beat it. The GT2 has 335 and 315 width r-compound tires. Cory |
Regionally competitive is a lot different than being nationally competitive. Check out the ProSolo and National Tour results and see if you come back with the same story. Plus, SP restrictions are stupidly unfair to turbo cars. But, Andy McKee (2001 AS champ and 2002 BS champ) has purchased an ASP RX-7 to campaign next year .... we'll see. ;)
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Yeap, Andy McKee is in my region. He is very good with his S2000.
He sold that, and bought ASP RX-7. THe RX-7 used to be Tri-point car. I talked to him, he mention that first he will be running in ASP to setup the car and then in SM2 competitively. The GT2 in my region has good driver too. You can see the results in this website. The season is over. I think the GT2 and RX-7 is one and two. You can see over the season sometimes the RX-7 wins. sometimes the GT2 wins. http://www.sfrscca.org/solo2/Results...nship/asp.html |
One of the fundamental preceps of the SCCA is fairly balancing different makes and models of cars as to their performance potential, they constantly state they seek level playing fields for all types of cars. That's why you can still see Lotus Elans and Sprites, MGs, and such competing. But sometimes, as is our case, they seem to favor a very popular and widely driven car with a huge following and aftermarket network - the Corvette - over a car that does not. And don't forget that the people who make the decisions on classing are themselves competitors, and bring with them all their personal biases and those of their friends. The SCCA is a member run orginization, and as such will eventually bend to popular will if there's enough noise made for change.
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someone said they will not bump the FD to A stock because the C4 and ZR1 owners will be pissed, cause they will not be able to compete. Im not saying I agree , it was just mentioned.
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Originally posted by donsmith One of the fundamental preceps of the SCCA is fairly balancing different makes and models of cars as to their performance potential, they constantly state they seek level playing fields for all types of cars. That's why you can still see Lotus Elans and Sprites, MGs, and such competing. But sometimes, as is our case, they seem to favor a very popular and widely driven car with a huge following and aftermarket network - the Corvette - over a car that does not. And don't forget that the people who make the decisions on classing are themselves competitors, and bring with them all their personal biases and those of their friends. The SCCA is a member run orginization, and as such will eventually bend to popular will if there's enough noise made for change. Politics is everywhere... :D -E |
When is someone going to take an FD all the way to prepared? I'm constantly tempted by all the "pre-gutted" FD's on Ebay... but alas, so many projects so little money. :)
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Originally posted by reza Its competitive too in ASP in my region. The car to beat is $200K+ Porsche GT2 with 450hp. Even a stock mod RX-7 with r-compound tires can beat it. The GT2 has 335 and 315 width r-compound tires. |
Originally posted by redrotorR1 Regionally competitive is a lot different than being nationally competitive. Check out the ProSolo and National Tour results and see if you come back with the same story. Plus, SP restrictions are stupidly unfair to turbo cars. But, Andy McKee (2001 AS champ and 2002 BS champ) has purchased an ASP RX-7 to campaign next year .... we'll see. ;) I went to my first National Tour last month. WOW lots of good competition, at least I wasn't last:) and only a few of the stock classes beat me, LOL. I had a better Sunday than Saturday. I ran SM2 with a mildly prepped ASP car so compare times there too. http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/na...e/results.html |
Originally posted by Travis R When is someone going to take an FD all the way to prepared? I'm constantly tempted by all the "pre-gutted" FD's on Ebay... but alas, so many projects so little money. :) Unfortunately, he hasn't had it running for any long stretches of time. :( |
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