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Tyblat 01-19-07 01:01 PM

AT JUUST BRAKES WE REALLY DO CARE...About money
 
Have I got a story for you guys.. Sit back, and relax.

Yesterday, January 19th, I was going to do my brakes myself. Seeing as how much of a pain in the ass it is to find the right brakes for my GXL at my local auto parts store (they never order the right ones..I always get 4 lugs)... I decided to hit up my local just brakes. The pads if I bought them myself would be about as much as that 99.00 special I saw them advertise on the radio.

So I figured hell, for an extra 20 bucks I can avoid dragging my hydraulic jack out of the shed and into the front yard. Why not?

I know theres stipulations on something like that, so I call the shop ahead of time and ask if my car qualifies. He asks for the make/model/year and of course I give it to him. He replies by saying yeah my car qualifies for the 99.00 brake job. So im like sweet no dragging the jack out of the shed.

I ask him when to bring the car down for an inspection and he tells me to arrive between 4 and 4:30. Well 4:00 rolls around and I pull up, walk in, and the guy says sorry I forgot about an appointment, bring it back tonight or in the morning.

Morning time comes and I get my ass up at 7:00 am to drag the car down there and get the inspection/work done. The car gets on the lift, and the guy informs me that not only does my car not qualify, they want 280.00 to do the brakes. (keep in mind this is just for putting the pads on.)

I tell the guy no way in hell, and they put the stuff back on and I go on my way. When I get home, I put in a call to corporate, and the guy calls me back in a few hours and says he will look into the matter and call me back. If I don't hear from them in a day or two I'll just call them back.

If you guys know of anyone in your family that needs brakes done, Avoid that place at all costs.

check out www.ripoffreport.com and search for Just Brakes. Plenty of people have been scammed and ripped off by them, dont let it happen to someone you know.

OnlyOnThurs 01-19-07 01:12 PM

Case in point i have learned that brake places RIP YOU OFF like a mofo when it comes to doing brakes!!. No more taking my car to get my brakes done...i do them myself now....

JSmith0101 01-19-07 01:14 PM

You could get four new 4lug calipers for that price!

Tyblat 01-19-07 01:21 PM

Yeah, I figured since the 99.00 was only about 20 bucks more than my pads, I'd just have them do it...changing pads isn't a big deal, but For the price they quoted me at, i'll just do it myself before I give those assholes a penny of my money.

cool3865 01-19-07 01:22 PM

wow i didnt know yesterday is the 19th when today is the 19th.......you must be seeing the future

cool_as_crap 01-19-07 01:26 PM

you'd better go back in time to warn yourself not to go to the brake shop!

OnlyOnThurs 01-19-07 01:29 PM

Its going to happen two days before the day after tommorow............

cool_as_crap 01-19-07 01:35 PM

go back to the day after yesterday!

KeloidJonesJr. 01-19-07 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by cool_as_crap
you'd better go back in time to warn yourself not to go to the brake shop!

:rlaugh::rlaugh::rlaugh::rlaugh:

Tyblat 01-19-07 01:45 PM

so its a typo, 18th. back on topic shall we?

cool3865 01-19-07 02:02 PM

omg im trying not to laugh while im with a customer on the phone

Suparslinc 01-19-07 03:18 PM

Did they tell you were low on blinker fluid?

aznpoopy 01-19-07 04:19 PM

$280 to do pads? holy crap.

DomFD3S 01-19-07 04:49 PM

What was the reason your car did not qualify for their $99 special?

I've learned...The easy things...do it yourself.
Because all it takes is someone trying to take advantage of you to really screw you over.

FuseKazuki 01-19-07 07:17 PM

^
they were gonna tell everyone they didnt qualify... the "offer" is just to lure them in then jack the price

KeloidJonesJr. 01-19-07 08:01 PM

Anyway, my solution is this:
Make another appointment at Just Brakes, then just flake. That will teach them. Teh RX-7 club noes about j00!!!

Enthu 01-19-07 08:39 PM

My suggestion: break a stink tube in the lobby!

Tyblat 01-19-07 10:47 PM

Pretty much they said my car didnt qualify because the pads "werent in stock." Which is exactly the reason I Called the day before, was to see if it did qualify. I'm not gonna spend a shitload of money on something I can easily do myself.

I got a call back from corporate...w00t Brake job for the 99.00!

RotaryEvolution 01-19-07 11:01 PM

i still wouldn't bring my car to them even for their special price.

they are gonna try to hose you any way they can you know? that involves stripping your lugnuts, breaking studs, damaging your calipers or showing you a warped, out of spec rotor to make sure you don't leave just paying $99 even if that means they have to fuck up your car to get it.

stay far away from those quick lube shops, discount brake stores and econo tune places, they are lying thieving scum i shit you not..

do you know why? because the techs are underpaid and compensated for how much they sell to bring them on par with what they should be paid for the work they do. (well not all of them are underpaid but i mean they are paid the minimum they can find techs to do the job for) after a few months they wind up selling their soul to make $5 selling a $400 brake job and begin doing it on a regular basis from there on out to bring in that extra $30 a week.

bamabubba 01-19-07 11:02 PM


Originally Posted by Tyblat
The pads if I bought them myself would be about as much as that 99.00 special I saw them advertise on the radio.

check out www.ripoffreport.com and search for Just Brakes. Plenty of people have been scammed and ripped off by them, dont let it happen to someone you know.


Yea,the scam starts with them getting people to believe their visual radio ads. lol
Jeremy

snowball 01-19-07 11:11 PM


Originally Posted by Karack
i still wouldn't bring my car to them even for their special price.

they are gonna try to hose you any way they can you know? that involves stripping your lugnuts, breaking studs, damaging your calipers or showing you a warped, out of spec rotor to make sure you don't leave just paying $99 even if that means they have to fuck up your car to get it.

stay far away from those quick lube shops, discount brake stores and econo tune places, they are lying thieving scum i shit you not..

do you know why? because the techs are underpaid and compensated for how much they sell to bring them on par with what they should be paid for the work they do. (well not all of them are underpaid but i mean they are paid the minimum they can find techs to do the job for) after a few months they wind up selling their soul to make $5 selling a $400 brake job and begin doing it on a regular basis from there on out to bring in that extra $30 a week.

welcome to retail...

RotaryEvolution 01-19-07 11:15 PM


Originally Posted by snowball
welcome to retail...

yep but it is amazing that alot of people don't realize when they have just been had and also that these companies are allowed to remain in business. it just makes people weary to take their car to any reputable shop in the future because people are scared they are going to be ripped off again and they wind up driving their cars longer and more unsafely than they should without having service work done.

Tyblat 01-19-07 11:39 PM

I was watching them the whole time they were working on my car from about a foot away, I wasnt taking a chance of leaving it unsupervised.

Larz 01-19-07 11:53 PM

Shops charge prices like that around here, too. I do brake jobs for college kids every now and then for food or a little cash. If it's just pads, it's a quick job.

Pele 01-20-07 01:39 AM

Who the fuck pays 99 bucks for a pad slap? Pads are $20-30 bucks a box for decent ones too (Bendix, Raybestos, Beck/Arnley, etc... Major stock brands.)



Also, with my experience, I'd never bring my vehicle to ANYONE to have the brakes done... Or any work done.

I used to work at a local shop chain around here...

For a brake job, they paid half an hour. Didn't matter if you took 15 minutes or three hours to complete the brake job. They just paid half an hour...

I couldn't make good money doing that shit. There's no way you can mill a pair of rotors on the lathe (Properly... One pass at high speed, cutting .010". One pass at low speed cutting .005". Then a quick buff with fine grit sand paper.), clean and grease all caliper slides, and put pads on (With backs properly treated to prevent noise.) in under half an hour.

All the other techs would just drop the old pads out and slap new ones on without even taking a look at the caliper slides or rotor. I can't bring myself to do shit like that.

jhammons01 01-20-07 02:05 AM


Originally Posted by Pele
Who the fuck pays 99 bucks for a pad slap? Pads are $20-30 bucks a box for decent ones too (Bendix, Raybestos, Beck/Arnley, etc... Major stock brands.)

10-4! You can have the pads out two minutes after you get the wheel off. 7 minutes later you can be putting the wheel back on.

Most of the time the rotors don't "need" turning. Just a new set of pads before you get that metal to metal.

FrankV702 01-20-07 02:13 AM

sounds like those purrfect auto care places.. get this.. I recently drove across country with my old boss from las vegas to orlando florida.. well she wanted to take her car and put no miles on it along with some stuff (furniture and other personal belongings) so she rented a budget truck and trailer to tow her car down there. Well before we go I change all her fluids and give the car a tune up. We get to florida and she takes it to a purrfect auto care just to get checked out and make sure everything is working good before she shipped it to the virgin islands.. they check it out, give her a call back and tell her it needs a oil change a new fuel filter (which i replaced about 3000 driven miles before) and some new spark plug wires (which i replaced before we went on the trip and they had 0 miles on them). They give her a quote of like 110 for parts and 3 hours of labor at 90 an hour. Well I go down with her to the store to pick it up because she isnt going to pay that for stuff I just did. we get there. and hes like are you sure you dont want the tune up done? shes like no.. I just changed it before I left. he replies.. well its probably because you just did that long drive across the country. she pulls out the dipstick and tells him, " are you crazy.. I towed the car here, these parts dont have any miles on the." she wipes the dipstick with her finger and points it in her face. nice new oil.. haha.. he had the most stupid look on his face, it was priceless.. showed up by a 57 year old woman..

K.ronic 01-20-07 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by FrankV702
sounds like those purrfect auto care places.. get this.. I recently drove across country with my old boss from las vegas to orlando florida.. well she wanted to take her car and put no miles on it along with some stuff (furniture and other personal belongings) so she rented a budget truck and trailer to tow her car down there. Well before we go I change all her fluids and give the car a tune up. We get to florida and she takes it to a purrfect auto care just to get checked out and make sure everything is working good before she shipped it to the virgin islands.. they check it out, give her a call back and tell her it needs a oil change a new fuel filter (which i replaced about 3000 driven miles before) and some new spark plug wires (which i replaced before we went on the trip and they had 0 miles on them). They give her a quote of like 110 for parts and 3 hours of labor at 90 an hour. Well I go down with her to the store to pick it up because she isnt going to pay that for stuff I just did. we get there. and hes like are you sure you dont want the tune up done? shes like no.. I just changed it before I left. he replies.. well its probably because you just did that long drive across the country. she pulls out the dipstick and tells him, " are you crazy.. I towed the car here, these parts dont have any miles on the." she wipes the dipstick with her finger and points it in her face. nice new oil.. haha.. he had the most stupid look on his face, it was priceless.. showed up by a 57 year old woman..

Uber satisfaction. I love calling people like that out. Dirty bastards.....this is what is wrong with the auto industry right now. There a so few actually honest shops out there that people get turned of to going to any shop and end up with an unsafe car as Karack mentioned before. It's a vicious circle that will never stop untill there are no more thieves and scammers. Which, as we all know, will be exactly never.......... :mad:

Atkins Dan 01-20-07 10:53 AM

This is Why we {the Atkins Family} got out of the auto repair.. We got tired of people showing up thinking we were going to rip them off like the last shop did... Mom & Dad ran the auto repair for 18 years and even I have some stories to tell...

here is one that dad liket to tell all the time..

one of our verry first Clients {back in 1982 or so} drove her Automatic RX3 wagon and handed dad the keys and says the engine is smoking and it needs to be replaced.. so Dad wrote her up a Quote for an engine rebuild as that is what the client said she need done, Dad then telles her that is will be about a week to pull the engine out and rebuild it and put it back in...

She left and in a few HRS Dad call her back and says it is all fixed and you can come and get it..

when she comes in to get the car keep in mind she is thinking that she just got a rebuilt engine in her car... she is ready to pay intell she sees the bill of like 30-35 bucks...

Dad then tells her to NEVER go to any shop and tell them what to do, make them find the problem and make THE SHOP responsable for missing the problem in the first place..

the problem with ihis car was since it is an automatic there is a vac pod that bolts to the transmission when this item goes bad the rubber diafram will leak ATF all over the place so because it is hook to a vac line the engine sucks the fluid out causing the engine to smoke...

when we closed the Auto repair side of things in late 98 to early 99 she was still there wanting to get her Mazda fix by the Atkins family and there are many more of the same kind of stories like that from us...



Dan

JHew84 01-20-07 12:04 PM

Any of these chain oil/brake/muffler shops are all rip-offs. Midas mufflers is widely known for charging people for work that was never done, there was actually a whole undercover news story done on it. If you don't want to do the work yourself find a local shop with a good reputation, establish a good business relationship with the owner and a mechanic, then and ONLY then will you probably have any luck with someone else working on your car. Otherwise be prepared to drag the jack into the front yard ;).

and before someone chimes in, there is obviously exceptions with the chain shops, especially if you know someone who works there. But the majority of them are bad news and should be avoided, I have quite a few friends/aquaintance that worked for places like that and they all say corporate dickheads put massive pressure on the management to operate in a crooked fashion.

Tyblat 01-20-07 02:05 PM

Only reason I didnt do it myself was because for the slight increase in price, I can just have them do it and not have to drag the hydraulic jack out. that and I'm crazy busy this weekend.

Everyones seen the jiffy lube video right? where they didn't do any work? that was crazy.

str8ryd 01-20-07 02:31 PM

I haven't seen that video? Care to post it up.......

Tyblat 01-20-07 03:39 PM

I'm not sure if this is the one your talking about, but have a look.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fJWpuWSh7c


It really sucks for people that aren't knowledgeable about cars these days. So many crooked shops that try to screw consumers over.

lov-2-rev 01-20-07 04:52 PM

I took my truck to a quick lube place ONCE. It was only because I was renting a house for a month while waiting for the closing on my house, and had no place to drain the oil. Keep in mind, my truck had a tad under 200k on the motor at the time. I tell the guy that I want 15/w40. Slightly thicker oil to take up the slack. ;) He gets done and hands me the bill. I pay and walk out to my waiting vehicle. I get ready to pull away and take a second glance at the bill again. In tiny lettering at the bottom it says 10/w30. I walk back in and say WTF. He says that they didnt have regular 15/w40, only high milage which costs extra. I say, "Ya, and? You didn't think to tell me this before you started the work?" He gives me some BS about willing to change the oil for the additional cost. I tell him very nicly to get bent, and leave. I get back to the rental house and decide to check the oil. Wouldn't you know it, the little grease monkey over filled it by a quart. Now I am realy heated. I drive back to the quick lube and raise holy hell. I made it well known what a scamer he was in the middle of his packed lobby. Not only did I get him to give me a full refund, but I counted 8 customers that walked out the door and drove away. :D Pay back is a bitch!

I've also called out the service manager at a local dealership when I brought my wifes SUV in for warranty work. He tells me that the shocks are all shot. I laugh to myself and tell him that he is full of it, seing as I replaced them only 2 weeks earlier. He then says that they were installed improperly. I now laugh out loud and say,"Do you mean to tell me that I can't manage to change a set of shocks properly?" At the exact same moment my wife pulls into the parking lot, directly in front of the service window.............in my completly custom slammed pickup. I point out the window and say to the gentleman," And yet I can build that with my own two hands." His jaw drops when he sees my wife get out and walk towards the door. He mutters something about them being the wrong shocks or something and I simply take the keys and walk out the door.

Moral is, you always gotta watch your back and the backs of your family members. There is someone out to scam you at every corner.

RX_Shopper 01-21-07 06:23 PM

Seems more and more commonplace...
 
Part of the downward spiral of personal responsibility IMHO.

It is partly because of stuff like this that over the years I bought special tools and taught myself how to do a lot of stuff, like weld exhaust pipes and make AC fittings & hoses.

I always thought it was interesting how when I used to take my company car in for maintenance work at Goodyear, there was always the "come out here and let me show you something" line by the advisor, usually followed by you need brakes/shocks/suspension work, etc. The Chevy dealer soaked us for $750 to replace a fuel pump on a car that didn't fix the problem.

I really don't like others working on my cars.

My horror story involved being taken for $3,000 (half of the job price) for bodywork that was never done. I sued the shop and got a judgment, but have not collected a dime.


:rlaugh: LOL at the time travel thing, a subordinate had turned in a report speaking about something happening and he used a date three months in advance (he had cut & pasted another report). I told him he had better be sure to be there three months from now to prevent it from happening!

blmcquig 01-22-07 04:48 PM

hehehe, time travel is awesome...

anywho, heres my story. i worked at a nissan dealership for about 4 months. back before i knew a single thing about rotaries. i had done a two trans. replacements on me and my friends cars, so i had a little experience. anyway, i was changing the oil in an older nissan (sentra or something like that) and i noticed the half shaft boots were torn. so i told the service writer, and he told the customer. keep in mind i have changed these myself before, so i knew they only cost 5-20 bucks tops. the service writer brings the customers (a 25-30 year old couple) out, shows them whats wrong and tells them it needs replaced immediatley. i figured, sure, it needs replaced, itll take maybe 30 mins, and cost probably 100 bucks for both. wrong. he quotes them at 200 per side. holy crap. then he tells them if they dont fix it right away, the axle will fail (wich it would. eventually) and the cost 1100 per side.
this is one of the reasons i cant be a tech anymore. absolute bs.

txfatboy 01-22-07 09:59 PM

I can't count the number of cars whose brakes I have had to fix AFTER they have been to "a brake specialty shop". The problems ranged from calipers not tightened down to contaminated brake fluid (ie power steering fluid in master cyl.) that requires a complete replacement of ALL rubber components including the abs unit. Can you say $$$$$? Of course there's no way to prove they did it, right?
A little advise from an ASE Master tech with 20 years of honest work exsperience, if you have to take your car to a shop to be repaired do a little research. Ask if their techs are ASE certified (not just one of them), are they AAA recognized/approved, is the shop a member of the ASA, etc., etc. NOBODY can buy the parts and pay an experianced tech to do a proper brake job front AND rear for $99.00 and expect to stay in business. Remember, most of the "chain" stores, no matter what they "specialize" in have a formula to make a profit and that formula usually requires employing people with little to no experiance so they can keep their cost down. Do you really want someone working on you brakes or anything else on your car for that matter that was stocking the shelves at the local grocery store the week before? Oh, yeh, they did take that 30 min. training course, right??!!

fluffysheap 02-15-07 12:28 PM

I took my GSL-SE to a track day and I only had generic brake pads on it... so I figured they would only be good for a couple laps at a time and I would just pull off when they started to fade. Well what actually happened is the pads just totally disintegrated probably on the first or second lap and I was stopping with rivets :) Now it turns out that rivets stop pretty good and don't fade until your brake fluid starts to boil, so I got like eight laps, and I was pretty happy, until I pulled off and heard this funny grinding noise :)

Took it to Midas and they wanted $1000... said I needed new rotors, calipers and pads. Well obviously I wasn't going to pay $1000 since I paid only $1500 for the whole car. Replaced the rotors and pads (with Porterfield R4), nothing wrong with the calipers, did the whole thing for like $300 and got new wheel bearings in the deal too.


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