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Shirohige 04-30-17 05:31 AM

Car not idle, weird air temp. Need help
 
First of, I apologize for posting on a Rx7 forum. I own a Nissan 200sx S13 with a SR20DET (redtop). Most Nissan forums are dead or I cant register for some reason. (already posted on zilvia, but almost no responses)

Anyway, yesterday I started up my car after 1.5 years after upgrading my turbo, injectors, mapsensor, IAT and a Power FC D-Jetro. (map sensor running a vacuum line to the throttle body, hope this is alright)

First start up went great, bit of cranking and it started. Had a oil leak from my oil feed but I fixed that later. (not really idle, but it started after 1.5 years)

So I started again and the RPM was between 800-1100. Not idle, car shaking. Found out that I put my injectors at 0,72ms and it shouldve been 0.04 or 0.02. So I changed that and the RPM stayed between 800-900. It dropped down to 600 for a few seconds but that was only once.

Next start up I read that I should initialize it again, so I removed everything, set my injectors on the right thing again. (66%, 0,04ms) And turned off boost cntl.

Car didnt start at all. Only cranked and thats it. BUT here is the weird part;

When I just have the car on (not started) my air temp says: 10 or 15 celsius, like it should be. But when I start my car it drops down to -8 (first and second start up) and on the last start up when it only cranked it said -34???? I don't think the IAT is bad since it reads fine when the car isn't running.

edit; also my car did start up with boost cntl on, but it doesnt start with boost contl off. I still have to try to put boost control on to see if it starts with that after the reset. (i dont have the pfc boost controller)

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...b85e2e9843.jpg

Honestly all help is appreciated.... :(

stickmantijuana 04-30-17 09:59 AM

sounds like your sensor ground or sensor signal wire is crossed with chassis ground, some other signal, or power somewhere. trace those 2 wires and make sure they are isolated. you'll get more help if you sell that car and get a more proper ride. ;) jk

Shirohige 04-30-17 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by stickmantijuana (Post 12179273)
sounds like your sensor ground or sensor signal wire is crossed with chassis ground, some other signal, or power somewhere. trace those 2 wires and make sure they are isolated. you'll get more help if you sell that car and get a more proper ride. ;) jk

Alright thanks, ill check it out in a few minutes.

hahah i wish i could afford a rx7 :( poor student here

Shirohige 04-30-17 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by stickmantijuana (Post 12179273)
sounds like your sensor ground or sensor signal wire is crossed with chassis ground, some other signal, or power somewhere. trace those 2 wires and make sure they are isolated. you'll get more help if you sell that car and get a more proper ride. ;) jk

Alright, your tip worked. My ground wire was hooked up to the wrong one. Fixed that, initialize it again, started the car and it was around 850-950rpm. Air temp stayed at 15 degrees and didn't change a single time in 10 minutes.

My other issue tho, during the selflearning process you have to turn on the A/C and I don't have that. So I thought using my fans on high would do the trick. However, when I do that my RPM drops to 480 and the car does some weird shit. I filmed the hand controller: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZXVeiSi1y0


What do I have to do now? My defroster also doesn't work since there are cables missing somehow.

edit; it also doesnt see my o2 sensor. it stays at 0.0v. (the stock sensor in my turbo elbow) I have a wideband in my car but I didn't plug it in yet. Do I have to connect my WB output to the O2 wire?

cewrx7r1 05-11-17 04:13 PM

It seems like your car has a lot of wiring problems.
You would need to load your map and a log of the car idling in order for any type of analysis.

Shirohige 06-11-17 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by cewrx7r1 (Post 12182701)
It seems like your car has a lot of wiring problems.
You would need to load your map and a log of the car idling in order for any type of analysis.

Ye it had a lot of wiring issues. I bought a new engine harness and tried again. Didn't fix my problem. Haven't replied in a while but here is what I've done till now.

Note; The car doesn't rev past 2k. I get a fuel cut around 2k rpm.

New waterpump (old one was leaking)
New radiator (mishimoto send me one that had a leak...)
New thermostat
New O2 sensor
New TPS
New engine harness
Switched the 555cc injectors for my stock ones. (370cc)

At first I had a lot of air in my coolant system. After all the air escaped and the engine could rev over 2k. Best sound ever, I was happy af lol.

Day later, I thought I'd drive it to my front door to clean it and it didn't rev past 2k again... Thought it was the waterpump, thermostat or radiator. They were leaking and I didn't get hot air from my heater so I switched all of it. Didn't work, engine harness swapped, O2 sensor swapped. No faulty sensors everything works fine I guess. It just doesn't rev past 2k.

Today I made a fold in my vacuum line to see if it will do anything crazy if it doesn't get air. Nothing happened. But then when I keep the fold and I rev it doesn't go over 1k? rpm, and without the fold it doesn't go past 2k. Can it be a bad map sensor? I don't really wanna buy one without knowing for sure that the map sensor is the problem. Those damn things aren't cheap.

cewrx7r1 06-21-17 09:28 PM

Would this be the map sensor hose as map sensor problems can cause your problems?

Get a compress air source and a regulator and check what your PFC logs from the map sensor.

Shirohige 06-23-17 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by cewrx7r1 (Post 12193885)
Would this be the map sensor hose as map sensor problems can cause your problems?

Get a compress air source and a regulator and check what your PFC logs from the map sensor.

Someone told me to use a T on my FPR vacuum and hook up my MAP sensor on it, after I did that it could rev till 4k.

I am busy now with my exams, but i'll try to do that soon, thanks.


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