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ChanBagz 09-29-14 09:18 AM

Carbon Buildup
 
I have a 1987 n/a that has some issues. I have heard that when a rotary engine has a lot of carbon the car shakes and you lose a lot of power. Both of these things are happening to me and when I say the car shakes I mean the whole car shakes. I have had this problem for about 2 months now and just recently heard of this as a possibility. It would make sense that it has build up because I bought it from a dealer and the guy who sold it to the dealer told them it was a barn car, I was not told this until after I had the car home. If this is a problem let me know and let me know how to fix it and how hard it is to do.

lduley 09-29-14 11:36 AM

First step, compression test it. If tgat checks out good, put some marvel mystery oil in the chambers and let it sit and rotate by hand. You MAY get lucky and shoot the supposive carbon out the exhaust.....and i do mean MAY

ChanBagz 09-29-14 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by lduley (Post 11808675)
First step, compression test it. If tgat checks out good, put some marvel mystery oil in the chambers and let it sit and rotate by hand. You MAY get lucky and shoot the supposive carbon out the exhaust.....and i do mean MAY

I have done a cold compression test and got 90 on both rotors. I will try the oil.

dillrx7 09-29-14 12:27 PM

Look up water treatment

diabolical1 09-29-14 01:58 PM

welcome to the board. :)

when does the car shake? idle only? while driving? if so, any particular speed?

has it been tuned up recently?

satch 09-29-14 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by dillrx7 (Post 11808700)
Look up water treatment

When advanced searching for "water treatment" type in the name rotaryevolution or Karack in the 'keywords' search box after water treatment. His insight will get you through the process as needed.

ChanBagz 09-29-14 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by diabolical1 (Post 11808752)
welcome to the board. :)

when does the car shake? idle only? while driving? if so, any particular speed?

has it been tuned up recently?

the car shakes at 1500 and below. What aspects of tuning it up are there?

ChanBagz 09-29-14 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by satch (Post 11808763)
When advanced searching for "water treatment" type in the name rotaryevolution or Karack in the 'keywords' search box after water treatment. His insight will get you through the process as needed.

I have seen about the water treatment and I thought it wasn't advised when there is a lot of buildup because it could get dislodged and do something to the housing or the rotors?

lduley 09-29-14 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by ChanBagz (Post 11808828)

I have seen about the water treatment and I thought it wasn't advised when there is a lot of buildup because it could get dislodged and do something to the housing or the rotors?

No matter what if there is carbon buildup your taking that chance

dillrx7 09-29-14 06:45 PM

Have you redlined the motor recently? Do you drive it... Like a teenager? Or like a grandma?

ChanBagz 09-29-14 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by dillrx7 (Post 11808868)
Have you redlined the motor recently? Do you drive it... Like a teenager? Or like a grandma?

I redline it every day and i drive it like a grandma most of the time.

satch 09-29-14 09:48 PM

If you read about the process one of the things that can go wrong is the cat becomes clogged. You would normally use a gallon of water per rotor but you don't use the entire gallon at one time but parse it out to two portions so you're dividing up the cleaning process in two different intervals so as to reduce the chance of releasing too much carbon at one time.

diabolical1 09-30-14 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by ChanBagz (Post 11808827)
the car shakes at 1500 and below.

have you searched for vacuum leaks? checked/confirmed timing?

water/steam cleaning won't hurt (at least, it shouldn't if you do it right), but there are other simpler things you should have probably looked at before you came to the conclusion that carbon is causing the symptoms you describe.


What aspects of tuning it up are there?
basically have you checked and/or changed all filters (particularly fuel) and ignition components?

ChanBagz 09-30-14 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by diabolical1 (Post 11809288)
have you searched for vacuum leaks? checked/confirmed timing?

water/steam cleaning won't hurt (at least, it shouldn't if you do it right), but there are other simpler things you should have probably looked at before you came to the conclusion that carbon is causing the symptoms you describe.



basically have you checked and/or changed all filters (particularly fuel) and ignition components?

I have been having these problems for the past 3 months and I have tried many things and am running out of ideas. I have no vacuum leaks and the timing is good and also have a new fuel filter and have looked at the ignitions coils and they are good, also spark plugs and wires have been replaced as well.

lduley 09-30-14 05:39 PM

Have you looked/replaced your motor mounts?

ChanBagz 09-30-14 09:06 PM


Originally Posted by lduley (Post 11809332)
Have you looked/replaced your motor mounts?

No I have not.

Sgtblue 10-01-14 08:00 AM

Here's that link for posterity and any future searches....
Rotary Resurrection home of the budget rebuild.
If you don't find another obvious cause for the symptoms and want to try water ingestion I don't think it would harm anything either. It may not help, but it won't hurt. Distilled water for obvious reasons. Not sure if it's addressed in that link, but I'd do a quart or so at a time with a little rest in between, keeping an eye on the exhaust... which will get hot.
Where in Iowa are you btw?

ChanBagz 10-01-14 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by Sgtblue (Post 11809603)
Here's that link for posterity and any future searches....
Rotary Resurrection home of the budget rebuild.
If you don't find another obvious cause for the symptoms and want to try water ingestion I don't think it would harm anything either. It may not help, but it won't hurt. Distilled water for obvious reasons. Not sure if it's addressed in that link, but I'd do a quart or so at a time with a little rest in between, keeping an eye on the exhaust... which will get hot.
Where in Iowa are you btw?

I live in Cedar Rapids and thanks for the link.

Sgtblue 10-01-14 08:06 AM

Ah, I'm at the west end. Going on the "Cruise to the Woods" this week which ends up in Ft. Dodge. Figured I'd ask. Good luck with the car regardless.


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