1987 FC GXL Transmission issue
hey guys, i REALLY hope this is the right place for this, and ill go ahead and say that ive searched for a week now with no avail to the source of the issue.
i bought an '87 FC GXL a few weeks ago, and when i test drove it i could find all of the gears, now i can only put it in fourth, no other gears can be found, and when i think ive found one the shifter seems to feel like its still in neutral. at a time when i can absolutely do it(going to work soon) ill crank it up and take a video to hopfully further the explanation of the cause. ive heard it could be the synchronizer, all the way to bearings and forks. any and all help is greatyly appriciated as i just want to get her on the road ASAP :( |
Does the clutch pedal feel soft?
Will it go into gear with the engine not running? |
Originally Posted by RotaryRocket88
(Post 11226745)
Does the clutch pedal feel soft?
Will it go into gear with the engine not running? |
A possibility here is that the shifter bushings have busted and lodged in the "gear Pattern" of the shifter and it won't allow it to select gears.
This is about the easiest thing to check. Take the Shifter surround up( put flat screwdriver under the surround and it just pops up and off).If you can get it all the way off,fine,or leave the leather boot on the shifter and push it away for the next step. Here:..pics from Mazdatrix! 86-92 Shifter Bushings |
Originally Posted by misterstyx69
(Post 11226809)
A possibility here is that the shifter bushings have busted and lodged in the "gear Pattern" of the shifter and it won't allow it to select gears.
This is about the easiest thing to check. Take the Shifter surround up( put flat screwdriver under the surround and it just pops up and off).If you can get it all the way off,fine,or leave the leather boot on the shifter and push it away for the next step. Here:..pics from Mazdatrix! 86-92 Shifter Bushings |
after initiating the check and going back to the link, im starting to think it is safe to assume its the bushings
after wiping whatever was on here off: [IMG]http://imageshack.us/a/img14/4058/img0104oj.th.jpg[/IMG] more angles http://imageshack.us/a/img52/4477/img0101tl.th.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img526/8168/img0100jh.th.jpg opinions are welcome:scratch: |
You need to actually remove the shifter to check out the bushings. Remove those 3 bolts.
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Originally Posted by RotaryRocket88
(Post 11228396)
You need to actually remove the shifter to check out the bushings. Remove those 3 bolts.
(not responsible for what you do). Take the 3 10mm bolts out and Lift the shifter straight out.(you will love the smell of gear oil!..Manly!) Since I am on here like 24/7, post pics and I can comment on what I see.ok? |
Originally Posted by misterstyx69
(Post 11228443)
Yep..RR is correct.
(not responsible for what you do). Take the 3 10mm bolts out and Lift the shifter straight out.(you will love the smell of gear oil!..Manly!) Since I am on here like 24/7, post pics and I can comment on what I see.ok? http://imageshack.us/a/img210/934/img0136fq.th.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img845/1784/img0139wx.th.jpg obviously i couldnt see much to see if anything was broken http://imageshack.us/a/img9/1921/img0137oh.th.jpg so after a wee bit of cleanup http://imageshack.us/a/img835/3349/img0140gc.th.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img585/1792/img0141ti.th.jpg i couldn't really notice anything wrong, and didn't feel anything broken, but ive been wrong many times before, not to mention is that top ring supposed to be free floating on the top of the ball of the shifter?:scratch: |
The "rings" are the bushings. There are two, and one is on the shifter ball section. There should also be springs on them. They can be broken or lost altogether; if so, the shifter will feel sloppy.
However, I'll bet you could remove the bushings completely and still get it to shift. I would wager that your problem is internal. |
The internals there should at least have a Spit of Gear oil in that hole,just enough to lubricate the Transmissions "shifter block"( what the little ball on the bottom of the shifter sits in) Gear Oil should just cover those components...NOT Grease.
Is that what is in there?Like axle Grease? I would check the Gear oil level next.This is getting interesting. Try the Factory Service manual link Foxed.ca for info on how to do that..Or try a search. |
Originally Posted by misterstyx69
(Post 11229498)
The internals there should at least have a Spit of Gear oil in that hole,just enough to lubricate the Transmissions "shifter block"( what the little ball on the bottom of the shifter sits in) Gear Oil should just cover those components...NOT Grease.
Is that what is in there?Like axle Grease? I would check the Gear oil level next.This is getting interesting. Try the Factory Service manual link Foxed.ca for info on how to do that..Or try a search. |
Originally Posted by Redsun89
(Post 11229661)
yeah im assuming its axel grease. im going to tow the car to school and drain/refill the trans and see what thatll do, after that its looking like i may have to take the trans out to find the issue.:(
The "thing" with theses cars is that people go BIG when they encounter a problem. If it Farts the wrong way they change the engine!.it could just be a vacuum hose.So you have to be patient and check out everything you can so you don't break the bank trying to fix it. Good luck,and let us know how you progress,ok? |
Originally Posted by RotaryRocket88
(Post 11229466)
However, I'll bet you could remove the bushings completely and still get it to shift. I would wager that your problem is internal. |
Originally Posted by misterstyx69
(Post 11229694)
You are definitely on the right track,so don't get discouraged.
The "thing" with theses cars is that people go BIG when they encounter a problem. If it Farts the wrong way they change the engine!.it could just be a vacuum hose.So you have to be patient and check out everything you can so you don't break the bank trying to fix it. Good luck,and let us know how you progress,ok? |
so i put the shifter back in and bolted it back in, and now i can somewhat find the gears better than before, however i havent test driven this theory. would it be worth saving for a mazdatrix short shift?
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UPDATE- i can now 1-4 but no 5th or reverse.:(
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Originally Posted by Redsun89
(Post 11231226)
UPDATE- i can now 1-4 but no 5th or reverse.:(
Btw your going to get gear oil on you soon as that plate is removed about a few ounces. so just own up to the smell it'll eventually go away. Seal up that plate with rtv. Most likly. That gasket will be fubar |
sorry for the long time away, haven't had money to tow her until now, shell be on the lift in my class later tonight, so ill finally update what the possible more likely issue could be or actually is.
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alright, according to classmates, and my teacher(whos owned an FD) the box attached to the trans, shouldn't be loose, nor should it be able to be pulled up and down, 75% of them say its bushings, but the question i cant seem to have answered is what kind. i know about the ones under the shifter, but they say these are located somewhere in the trans.
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http://imageshack.us/a/img521/959/img0258ud.th.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img24/8896/img0257zv.th.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img831/3749/img0256zx.th.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img835/6406/img0255hh.th.jpg after the post last night, this is what i found the linkage from the box is broken. is there anyway at all to fix or replace this?:( |
Yeah, I was going to say it appears the casting is broken on the extension housing. You fix it by removing the transmission, and then replacing the tail housing from a donor transmission. Or you just replace the whole thing.
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Originally Posted by RotaryRocket88
(Post 11266840)
Yeah, I was going to say it appears the casting is broken on the extension housing. You fix it by removing the transmission, and then replacing the tail housing from a donor transmission. Or you just replace the whole thing.
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