Originally Posted by EpitrochoidalPower!
(Post 8805701)
Actually technically the fuel "exploding" would be detonation and is not what you want in your engine, the fuel-air mixture is meant to burn not detonate.
No that's called pre ignition. But anyways it doesn't matter scientifically speaking, the fuel explodes. That's what if does. It doesn't matter if it's early or later. Go read any encyclopedia for the word "COMBUSTION" for an explanation as to what happens. Your not going to make any combustible engine run just by burning fuel inside it. The burn is the after effect not before. If that was possible, a blown rotary would still run like a top with no compression. You have to have pressure, a fuel, and an ignition source to create the explosion event. That's basic science. The improper timming of this event is what damages the engine. Burning is what happens when you have no pressure. |
Originally Posted by t-von
(Post 8807823)
No that's called pre ignition. But anyways it doesn't matter scientifically speaking, the fuel explodes. That's what if does. It doesn't matter if it's early or later. Go read any encyclopedia for the word "COMBUSTION" for an explanation as to what happens. Your not going to make any combustible engine run just by burning fuel inside it. The burn is the after effect not before. If that was possible, a blown rotary would still run like a top with no compression. You have to have pressure, a fuel, and an ignition source to create the explosion event. That's basic science. The improper timming of this event is what damages the engine. Burning is what happens when you have no pressure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combustion i know we're kinda talking semantics here.... |
Originally Posted by t-von
(Post 8807823)
No that's called pre ignition. But anyways it doesn't matter scientifically speaking, the fuel explodes.
Pre-ignition can CAUSE detonation, because you essentially are running with wildly advanced ignition timing, but they are two separate phenomena. Combustion isn't exploding. What happens in the combustion chamber is essentially a fast candle. What happens in detonation is essentially a spark ignited grenade... Your not going to make any combustible engine run just by burning fuel inside it. One of the major innovations in internal combustion engine history is the concept that you get a more useful burn if you compress the mix before trying to ignite it. Gets the molecules closer to each other, concentrates them. The added heat is a nice bonus for helping combustion happen. (Technically, you can't have one without the other...) Too much heat and pressure causes the mixture to spontaneously ignite *everywhere* instead of propogating smoothly from the spark plug... this leads to a tow home in high horsepower applications :goodrebuild: At any rate, I wonder if your torque increases were due to increased velocity at the port exit helping to prevent reversion. It's always an interesting problem with rotaries. |
Originally Posted by j9fd3s
(Post 8807971)
i know its wikipedia, but they have you at word 3!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combustion i know we're kinda talking semantics here.... Nah that's just wikipedia and they leave some things out. ;) Hears from my "New Standard Encyclopedia" hard copy. "Combustion, the chemical combination of two substances (fuel and oxygen) accompanied by the production of light and heat (since were talking rotary---spark from plug). As commonly used, the term applies to the combination of a substance with oxygen causing fairly rapid oxidation, or fire. EXTREME rapid combustion (which is what happens inside a combustion engine), in which the fuel and oxygen are united INSTANTANEOUSLY, is called an EXPLOSION. Flame is a product of combustion." Not to confuse anyone but everything above in parentheses is my own inclusion for reference and not written in the book I just copied from. Your right though we are talking semantics. |
Originally Posted by peejay
(Post 8809116)
At any rate, I wonder if your torque increases were due to increased velocity at the port exit helping to prevent reversion. It's always an interesting problem with rotaries.
For those of you that didn't know, the secondary throttle plates have a mechanical delayed opening to help keep the air velocity through the primary ports hi. This helps with chamber filling and improved low end torque. |
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