Uncommon strategy regarding staged injection and what has worked well for me
Regarding the topic of staged injection, the strategy I use differs from anyone else. I figured I might as well share my findings as this has worked best for me.
My injector setup is 'square' - four ID1050x and with 80 lb base pressure it makes them flow roughly 1400cc The problem I see many setups is having the stage gradual. At the beginning of the stage event the pulse-width can be too small to control accurately and this can cause stumbling and jerkiness. To get around this, many simply make the transition very steep - starting out at say 30-50% - to quickly sweep past this small pulse width zone at the beginning of the ramp. At the end of the day this unstable state can still exists and is just minimized. I have found that method to be unnecessary. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...91a6992ff6.png https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...3bffe48776.png If you look closely, you can see from my staging table, I have 2 columns and 2 rows labeled the exact same value. Odd right? What this does is allow for a on/off trigger effect on the secondary injectors. When the secondaries switch on, they jump straight to a more stable pulse-width. This bypasses the 'ramping' transition of a gradual onset. In addition to this, As you can see, my table is much more simplified than most. I simply switch them on right before I get into boost regardless of rpm... (aside from below 1000rpm.. I was getting unwanted triggering of the secondaries while cranking.) Well, this has worked for me and I feel absolutely no hesitation this way even when flirting with the 98kpa threshold triggering on and off the secondaries . My fuel map looks more for lack of a better term.. smooth. It has minimized strange valleys and peaks which may have been the cause of a more complex staging table that ramps injectors in at varying pressures and RPM. Give this a try if you will.. or don't. I'm simply sharing the knowledge which is what this forum is created for! |
What you're experiencing when bringing them on at extremely low duty cycle is the lower non-linear operating range of the injectors at which the output is unstable. Injector dynamics has actually done the work to characterize this range for each of their injectors and posted a pretty solid write up on how it works, see link below.
INJECTOR DYNAMICS LOW PULSE TECH Skeese |
When possible, I feel it is beneficial to circumvent this non linear area all together. The only time I am ever below 1.5ms is at idle and possibly cruise.. where this injector data is most beneficial
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this sounds exactly like what I need. when my secondaries are just beginning to stage, it's PIG rich, and I haven't been able to ever tune it out fully.
i'm so excited to try this out tonight. thank you! |
Originally Posted by distr0
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this sounds exactly like what I need. when my secondaries are just beginning to stage, it's PIG rich, and I haven't been able to ever tune it out fully.
i'm so excited to try this out tonight. thank you! Skeese |
MS2, v3 board, and 4x ID1000 injectors
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