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You are the man, I'm sure the question where to buy? & what to get? was gonna come up sooner or later I think I'm might sell my IPF's & go the ballen route lol.

Thanks again,
Idel

:lol: By people ahead of you did you mean that propane tank? See when you have a proper HID projector setup that is aimed correctly you don't have to worry about blinding other drivers. When I talk to others using these "HID" reflector based kits and mention blinding oncoming traffic or other motorists I often hear "WTF do I care as long as I can see" That's a GREAT mentality to have :icon_tdow
If you could fit a projector based round headlight behind those shrouds that would be perfect.

David, lol seriously dude. How many times to I have to show you what a DOT and ECE cutoff looks like. We use a DOT style cutoff.

-Dan

Don't think so brother. That's ECE all the way for sure :) Sharp cutoff = ECE = SakeBomb retrofits. Smooth cutoff = SAE = David Hayes HIDs

Smooth SAE cuttoff from 2006 BMW M3:

https://www.rx7club.com/attachment.p...0&d=1276260002

Sharp SakeBomb cutoff:

https://i723.photobucket.com/albums/...e/DSC02694.jpg

Notice any difference? Hint: ECE units have sharp well defined angle cutoffs and SAE units have rounded, smoothed out cutoffs.

Don't waste your money on EVO-R crap. See my sig for details. :nod:

Wow you're intent on crapping on this guys thread aren't you. Sorry to hijack your thread dude.

I guess the IS250 also has ECE style cutoff from the factory too huh? :scratch:
Did you ever consider some manufactures use a different beam pattern? Yes ther is more then one SAE beam pattern. Sorry dude not everything you do is the ONLY way. It's ok to be wrong sometimes.

https://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g.../DSC_2802h.jpg
IS250


If you really want to debate the subject do it somewhere else. Again sorry for interrupting your thread MSTHTD1

EDIT: Of what I posted ripping Scrub. Sorry to the OP. No more non thread related posts from me.

No worries everybody like I said before I'm trying to protect my investment by replicating my set. If there's enough interest I'd make a limited amount of kits For those who like the KS kit as Much as I do! Now scrub your kit updates the the look of the fd and is effective, but not my cup of tea. David has a one off kit similar to the KS nice & effective aswell. Long story short it's Mazda's fault they should've addressed the lighting on the FD's long before they hit the showroom floors!
Lmao. Hell if scub can do it, & David could do it then by golly I'll do it to! Lol

Idel

Now that is too funny! Good luck with the effort. There are a lot of good lighting choices available now that would make the KS kit much improved.

Watching.

Fingers crossed.

Mike

FWIW I Just noticed the lights (tail lights & corner markers) on this IS 250. Their not even on :scratch:, the hood is open & the light source seems to be coming from under the hood? hmmm is this your ride with the FD Projector lamps sitting on the re bar? Or Google image?

I was just using that as an example. It was from some dudes thread on the Lexus forum. I can certainly show you more examples if you're really that interested. There is more then one SAE type beam pattern.

Yes you can certainly create your own setup, it's not super difficult just time consuming. Everyone likes their tea a different way ;) so no worries.

No, you said those were factory cutoffs and they clearly are not. Might want to review the pic before you post it to ensure the light is coming from the actual headlights of the car before you post. You might also want to check out the source of that pick, "JVX", and you just might learn he does a ton of retrofit HID stuff, not OEM. He takes halogen projector units and converts them with HID with very good results.

And finally, you might want to check with your partner before you make your claims about SAE lighting:

So who is correct, you with your SAE pattern claims or Heath who says the SakeBomb lights are an ECE (euro) pattern?

You're referencing a single post I made regarding the legality of the SakeBomb Garage headlights. In that post I said in essence "Hey guys I'm not sure if the beam pattern is euro or DOT, but it doesn't really matter as you are not allowed to modify any headlights as per DOT.... so while the beam could or could not be legal, the entire assembly is not technically legal". Headlight modifications are not legal unless you get it verified by DOT ;) . But David, I thought we cleared this up, no? Dan did a ton of research, dug up the various specifications for DOT (there are many) and our beam pattern does seem to conform to DOT standards. Some DOT beam patterns are wide and even (like ours), and some DOT beam patterns are more narrow and brighter in the center (like yours). Which type someone prefers (even and wide, or narrow and brighter in the center) is up to them. Personally I think the even and wide beam pattern lets you see more of the road in a less intense manner, but you seem to like the super bright long throw spotlights. Cool. To each his own. :):dunno:

Fact of the matter is, (as far as I can tell) our lights are DOT beam patterns. Does this matter? NO! Because you can't legally modify lights under DOT regulations. That means the headlight kits you want to sell, and we already sell are not DOT legal. Plain and simple. So we can argue beam pattern till we are blue in the face, but at the end of the day, none of our lights have a DOT stamp on the housing. So can we leave the DOT discussion there?

And if you are obsessed with having your car DOT legal, remember that our motors (20b) shouldnt even be on public roads as it was never registered by the department of transportation as a legal engine in the US. It was never verified by any agency for use on US roadways, nor was it in any car that was ever sold in the United States, and as far as Johnny Q. Public is concerned, you and I are both in violation of the law ;) How do you like them apples? :icon16:

-Heath

If you want to read more on beam pattern legality:
ECE low beams are characterised by a distinct horizontal "cutoff" line at the top of the beam. Below the line is bright, and above is dark. On the side of the beam facing away from oncoming traffic (right in right-traffic countries, left in left-traffic countries), this cutoff sweeps or steps upward to direct light to road signs and pedestrians. SAE low beams may or may not have a cutoff, and if a cutoff is present, it may be of two different general types: VOL, which is conceptually similar to the ECE beam in that the cutoff is located at the top of the left side of the beam and aimed slightly below horizontal, or VOR, which has the cutoff at the top of the right side of the beam and aimed at the horizon.

I just don't want to quibble back and fourth. Can we both get back to making parts or something more productive? :angel: :ugh2:


PS: Sorry to the OP for getting so far off topic, this would be better suited for discussion in David's thread. How this got started in your thread I don't know, so my sincere apologies!!!

Dan and I are going to meet to discuss our differences. And for the record, I am not selling nor intend to sell a light kit. Here's to getting back to being productive as you say :)

Wow, so much debate over beam pattern of projectors.... I dont really see what the big deal is here.

FWIW, I borrowed my mom's '04 RX-8 today and noticed her OEM Mazda HID's looked alot like what was posted previously.

snapped a quick picture
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/j...87b30c9a_b.jpg

ill definitely jump on this if you can make this work.

I really appreciate everyone's input and think all the talk of lighting will help potential customers choose the right lighting for their setups.

Prices Should be available no later than 1 July 2010 :nod:

Idel

If the price is right I will take a set I love those knight sports head lights? Let me know please pm me when you have a price I would love a set? Thanks

Update guys, I have talked to several fabricators & they all recommend aluminum over the original steel. Aluminum will be more expensive cost wise but will cut down weight over the steel units.. Let me know what you guys think..

the issue of weight should be negligible at best since it should be no more than 5lbs of weight.

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Reason why I asked is because the fabricators I spoke too said if these headlights were made today and not early 90's it wouldve been in aluminum opposed to steel. If there's still enough interest I will follow through on this if not then I will abort. The hardest part is finding someone willing to take on such a small project.

I have interest depending what it actually looks like.

Well the shrouds will only be made in carbon, if you've seen the frp ones that came stock with the KS kit their real flimsy. The brackets is the biggest hurdle because of the cuts, & angles. The fabricators I've spoke with, seem to not want deal with such a Small project. Fitment will have to be spot on because I would verify it before I ship.

Very interested! Please continue.

Mike