Originally Posted by 10sec rx7
(Post 12290036)
your going rich after it stages is the dead time on the secondary injectors is not correct,
the dead times from ID are useless as you do not have the same drivers, same fuel system pressures etc, lower the dead time on the secondarys and it will stop going rich. 15% for 10 cycles is a good number to start with on the staging enrichment WELCOME back dude, still cant believe you went V8!! Anyways, for those that are not running ID injectors, and wish to go the VE route on an Elite, what do you suggest as far as getting the correct data? |
Originally Posted by 10sec rx7
(Post 12290161)
ID's dead time data is useless to anything other than the ECU and power supply they did the dead time calculation with, which from memory is a Motec M800, will it get you close.. yes it will, is it going to be 100% correct on a haltech elite No.. this is half the problem with so called "tuners" these days, they rely on data that is incorrect for their application and have zero clue what to do about it,
going rich or lean for the half a second after staging is fixed with the staging enrichment and duration, but outside that .5 sec is it all down to the dead times, and if they are incorrect it will not work properly IE put the dead times off ID's website and you will have issues The problem, as stated about 5-6 months ago was that the injectors in the OP's Primary Slot were NOT IDs and the deadtimes set for primaries were for the IDs. Since the correct part was installed, there's zero issue. You would have been better off at least reading a page back and not being such a lazy shit before commenting on your proposed solution. For those NOT running ID, you should probably set up a bench with fuel pump, FPR, Filter, ECU, pipettes, multimeters, and bring some patience. Ohh, and when you see the difference from injector to injector on your generic units, you might want to input that as ECU data as well to try and smooth things out. It'll look like this, except for doing injectors instead of coils: |
Originally Posted by KNONFS
(Post 12290534)
WELCOME back dude, still cant believe you went V8!!
Anyways, for those that are not running ID injectors, and wish to go the VE route on an Elite, what do you suggest as far as getting the correct data? you have no choice but to use VE on the elite when using stages of injectors, its very very simple, set the dead times to give you around 50 at idle, then get the staging setup straight away, that will tell you how far off you are, most of the late model high impedance injectors will be between .8ms and 1.3ms dead time. |
Originally Posted by SirLaughsALot
(Post 12290586)
It's well documented data, I don't see your point. The M800 will run an injector at 1A, as will your Elite. In fact, you can set everything to match up exactly, but it's simple V = IR.
The problem, as stated about 5-6 months ago was that the injectors in the OP's Primary Slot were NOT IDs and the deadtimes set for primaries were for the IDs. Since the correct part was installed, there's zero issue. You would have been better off at least reading a page back and not being such a lazy shit before commenting on your proposed solution. For those NOT running ID, you should probably set up a bench with fuel pump, FPR, Filter, ECU, pipettes, multimeters, and bring some patience. Ohh, and when you see the difference from injector to injector on your generic units, you might want to input that as ECU data as well to try and smooth things out. It'll look like this, except for doing injectors instead of coils: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q5oq4TwX98 |
Originally Posted by 10sec rx7
(Post 12290603)
you seem to be one of those people I'm referring to as a copy and paste tuner.. nice work keep on keeping on, ill tell you again just so that it might get through your thick head that the published dead time data will not be correct when used with a elite,
Injector Dynamics is one of the few companies out there that is entirely transparent with their customers. They give data and have an amazing support group of engineers and racers alike who can and will help you setup a vehicle for your needs (even without using their products). You may not perceive it that way, but that's how it is. Your point about the data being different from a Motec to a Haltech is irrelevant since the injectors again weren't even IDs to begin with, which is what caused the issue with the secondary transition. You could say the same about people running a different fuel pressure regulator, in which case that physical portion would be incorrect as you do pressure changes. If you aren't on a Weldon A2047 with a Ti 10 Bar pressure sensor, then you're probably not gathering data correctly either... Let's all just shut up and wait for Havoc to report back with his updates. This is his thread and I'm tired of mucking around in it. |
Well got her up and running again :)
Facebook Post Funny changed to a FFE hall effect as well and trigger angle changed to 90deg from 56 deg. Also if you buy the Iq3.... make sure you get the haltech one... Need to buy a adapter now :( I should note this is running 4x1700 now. So idles fine on 1700's in the stock locations on E85 |
Not to be disparaging to our rotary based forum, but does the Haltech forums have more rotary owners active and are you guys on it as well for feedback? Im on the fence for picking up the 1500 for when I go single mid 2019 but have the power fc locked in for my car, but like the various benefit the Haltech has for engine protection on a bad tank of gas and such. But I do t want to be 2 years in like this thread trying to figure it out so is there a resource bank like our yahoo datalogit email support group that helps get things figured out? |
hey mate. I think most of us are on the haltech forums as well.
The help here has been great. but when I get stuck the Haltech team have been excellent! I use to be a micrtotech user but so glad I switched over. Ive enjoyed the learning process with the haltech units :) |
Thanks! I’ve been seaching the Haltech forums as well for rotary related items to familiarize myself before I purchase the 1500 in the spring. Looking forward to having some engine saving parameters in play with the new system but with anything, going from something I’ve used and know with the Power FC for 15 years, a little hesitant until I get used to the new one. |
Originally Posted by Tim Benton
(Post 12321900)
Not to be disparaging to our rotary based forum, but does the Haltech forums have more rotary owners active and are you guys on it as well for feedback? Im on the fence for picking up the 1500 for when I go single mid 2019 but have the power fc locked in for my car, but like the various benefit the Haltech has for engine protection on a bad tank of gas and such. But I do t want to be 2 years in like this thread trying to figure it out so is there a resource bank like our yahoo datalogit email support group that helps get things figured out? |
Thanks Chris - Got any suggestions for who to contact with regards to Haltech 1500 for a single turbo set up? PM me if need be. |
Originally Posted by Tim Benton
(Post 12322159)
Thanks Chris - Got any suggestions for who to contact with regards to Haltech 1500 for a single turbo set up? PM me if need be. |
Originally Posted by RGHTBrainDesign
(Post 12322507)
Yes, you want to contact Chris directly... Hahaha. LMS-EFI.com
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Originally Posted by Tim Benton
(Post 12322159)
Thanks Chris - Got any suggestions for who to contact with regards to Haltech 1500 for a single turbo set up? PM me if need be. I second the motion, Chris at LMS-EFI provides excellent support! |
I didn’t want to break any vendor rules by getting Chris to say Chris :nod: but once I get the 8374 lined up, secondary rail and injectors and then the ecu, I’ll give a Chris a call! Thanks all |
Originally Posted by Tim Benton
(Post 12322619)
I didn’t want to break any vendor rules by getting Chris to say Chris :nod: but once I get the 8374 lined up, secondary rail and injectors and then the ecu, I’ll give a Chris a call! Thanks all �� |
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PM’d you Chris! thanks all for the feedback. |
Originally Posted by Havoc
(Post 12321802)
Well got her up and running again.
Funny changed to a FFE hall effect as well and trigger angle changed to 90deg from 56 deg. Also if you buy the Iq3.... make sure you get the haltech one... Need to buy a adapter now :( I should note this is running 4x1700 now. So idles fine on 1700's in the stock locations on E85 Skeese |
Skeese, plan was just to get the car drivable. Im moving to Melbourne from Perth (2100 Miles away for you US guys). So have now landed. Once I get a house and the family set up I'll decide if the car comes over.
Once thats all done, would love to hit 500 at the rears. but will just wait and see. still a bit or wiring to fix up. fix up the steering, just small bits and pieces I didn't have time to fix in getting ready for the move. |
Welcome to Melbourne Anth!
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My S369 - Elite 1500 dyno on low boost.... was having some issues when rolling into boost.... going back on dyno soon to diagnose it. Shop is doing it for cheap because they wanna make sure it's perfect |
Originally Posted by Havoc
(Post 12324698)
Skeese, plan was just to get the car drivable. Im moving to Melbourne from Perth (2100 Miles away for you US guys). So have now landed. Once I get a house and the family set up I'll decide if the car comes over.
Once thats all done, would love to hit 500 at the rears. but will just wait and see. still a bit or wiring to fix up. fix up the steering, just small bits and pieces I didn't have time to fix in getting ready for the move. Skeese |
Skeese,
thanks for following up. Yeah moved to Melbourne from Perth. Been here must be 6 months now. Found a house, found a job. All is going well (Works been a bit more hectic than my last role) But alas the car hasn't come over. It's just going to be too problematic to get it re-registered. and if we pull the pin and go back in 2-3 years then I need to send it all back to Perth again. So it's sitting in my father in laws garage. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...7305440910.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...8adf6669be.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...619c119db4.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...85b5d3e26d.jpg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...f5102c8b44.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...f7b0fa3883.jpg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...5ddc396480.jpg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...2a2d31f937.jpg I miss it like mad! My wife is due in August as well. So its probably good not to have a distraction at the moments. But I do miss playing and driving it. I thought about getting another Rx7 while I'm over here. But really I'm catching public transport 4 days a week so its been fine with just the 1 car to date Regardless. Im going to save up some money, get it to send to a local shop and get them to finish off some of the simple bits I didn't get done before I left. |
Love this thread. So much knowledge in here
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Hoping to see some progress soon, or at least hear the car is back in your possession!
Skeese |
Hey Fellas.
I'm still about, living in Melbourne still so the car is 2100 miles away, unfortunately. We had a second child and I just changes jobs into the Software tech industry (from Structural engineering) so life is fairly busy at the moment and now been able to do much. I've had the chance to go back 2x now and she starts up no issues as well. such a simple thing but make me very happy still. If this new role goes well. It should come with some significant bonus's so if that comes off in about June I'll have some dollars and will pay a local shop to get some work done. OR pay the $700 bucks and get it shipped over to me. Most of the tools are in storage so it will be harder to work on her. So she's not gone, just on hold for the time being :) -Anthony Facebook Post |
Originally Posted by Havoc
(Post 12093972)
Well, looks like I got my hands on a 1500 this morning. :)
Now still going to be a while till I set it all up. But Im curious about the tuning techniques that it has for rotaries. (Im very green when it comes to tuning - generally I just leave it to the professionals - but i want to Learn) Background: I'm migrating from the haltech E8. Now running 13B RE, FFE crank trigger, will get a WB1, ID injectors, DBW throttle body and pedal, , Fuel flex & the 1500. So moving forward, as I have ID's and wide band should I just go straight to VE tuning? Is this the best option for Rotor's. I guess whats the Pro's and Con's Or should I just migrate over all my old tune into the 1500 and use that as the starting point? Or is VE tuning completely different? Sorry about the stupid question, ive not seen much about it so keen to read up and learn more. -Anth running stock trigger and coils. |
Originally Posted by B7RXX
(Post 12466127)
anyone here have base map for 1500 elite ?
running stock trigger and coils. |
Originally Posted by Skeese
(Post 12467076)
You can start with the base map for that setup that comes with the software download from Haltech.
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