E6X Ignition Problem.
 

I just got my Haltech E6X back from Aus. and it was repaired apparently it was broken to begin with.

Now I reinstalled my Haltech making sure that all connectors and colours and wiring was all up to par. Now the problem is as follows;
Loaded map (worked before) and double checked all the settings, They are all as every reference I have read or been told are all also correct ( to the best of my knowlege).

Now here is the thing,
When the engine cranks it keeps cranking and the engine speed reads about 260 rpm while cranking. I know it is getting fuel because after a while of cranking I can smell the gas. Also because the duty cycle is registering.
Now there doesn't seem to be any spark that is concistent. it seems that the spark does every once in a while hit.. because the engine will stutter like one rotor face fired. but then didn't follow suit with the others. I have stabbed the CAS the factory way. I also tried pull starting the car but it doesn't even stutter when I do that. It seems spark is missing. do you guy's have any ideas as to why this may be happening?
Thank You
Jeff

the wiring is as follows;
Haltech (light green) to leading coil (pink)
Haltech (white/black) to trailing coil (Pink)
Haltech (green/black) to trailing coil (white)
leading/trailing coil (light green) are all connected to switched 12v

Here are the settings in the ignition setup;

Trigger input: int. Reulctor
Trigger Gain: 2
Motronic mode: Off
Trigger Angle - BTDC: 60
Home Input: int. Reluctor
Home Gain:2
Trigger type: Multitooth
Spark Mode: Distributor
Engine Type: rotary
output type: constant charge
coil charge time (ms): 4.5
output edge: falling
number of teeth: 24
tooth offset: 11
internal toggle: off

In the Input/Output setup page;

aux out function " Ign. Toggle

Are the spark plugs new?

Try jacking the charge time up to 5.0ms.
You might want to datalog the cranking and see if the RPM's are consistent.


-Ted

Yes the spark plugs and wires are new... infact everything from the engine to the injectors to the turbo are new.

I will try changing it to 5.0ms and see how that goes. I will also data log it and post it here.

Thanks Ted

Here is the data log of the start up... I tried it at 4.5ms and 5.0ms and neither worked any other suggestions?
Jeffrey

Cranking RPM's look consistent.

What's odd is the injection time is at 16.43ms - that's a LOT of fuel!
I think you're flooding the engine?
Are your spark plugs wet when you pull them out?


-Ted

They didn't seem wet when I pulled them out. I pulled them right after a while of cranking also. which map would you suggest that I lean out if this is the case?would you like the map that I am using?
Pm Me your mailing address I can send it to you for you to see for yourself.
Thanks
Jeff

You can click on my profile, and my email is there. :)
reted_2000@yahoo.com



-Ted

Ted,
I sent you an email with my current map that I am using tell me what you think... tonight I am going out to the shop to try to get her to start.
Let me know.
Thank You Again.
Jeff

Ok anybody that might read this last night I got it to spark a little more consistantly, however everytime the engine would spark and try to fire the rpm would drop to 125 from 188rpm. and it would shake pretty good. If anybody can give me any insight to what is going on that would be GREAT!
Thanks

How did you get it to fire?

Does the engine sound like it's slowing down everytime it tries to fire???
If so, ignition timing is way off, or spark plug positions (T1, T2) are wrong.

I looked at the map last night, and I couldn't figure out why it wants to spit out a 16.43ms pulse when you're cranking??!? :(

Everything does look fine.
The Primer Map looks a little lean.
The Throttle Pump Maps look a little lean.
But other than that, nothing really obvious.


-Ted

yes the engine does try to slow down. I will ensure that all the leads and spark plugs are proper!
I attempted to restab the CAS and it started to work better then I lined up the cas a little better and that is about all I got.

sounds like timing is way off. disconnect the fuel, charge the battery, and zero the timing while cranking. OEM CAS installation is not the way I have mine installed and not sure if it can work in that configuration. I would first zero the timing.

Ok I tried zeroing my timing, I can't get a pick up from the inductive timming light. is there a special type I need to buy?
Now a few questions,
1) could the started be wired to turn backwards?
2) what else could it be I have tried the followingl
- restabed cas in both HITMAN and OEM methods
- checked coils as per FSM
- ensured that spark plugs and wires were good and in correct position
- tried a few different offsets
3) the front rotor is 1 right? I mean for injector wise? and the rear is 2?

any and or all help would be appreciated.

Try this trick...

Pull the spark plug wire off of the spark plug and put it close to a ground point.
The spark should arc to this ground.
The timing gun should be able to pick up the spark now.


-Ted

Can I ask as to why it would be able to pick it up after this?

because it is actually making an arc. you have the timing way off. starter motor can only turn one direction. you must follow all the directions from the Hitman's site on installing the CAS. the engine must be at or near 90 before TDC before installing the CAS as he describes. this is very important. if you follow all of his directions you should be close enough to start the engine. then immediately zero the ignition. this is also part of his instructions. print them out and follow all them. if you don't understand part of it don't just skip it. I have used this method more than a dozen times and it has work every time.

Larger air gap = more power to fire the spark
Due to the "bigger" spark, you get a stronger signal that the timing light will sense easier.
This will definitely confirm if the coils are firing.
This does NOT mean the spark plug is firing - it could be the spark plug is fouled and not firing itself in the combustion chamber, but at least you'll know the coils are firing at the correct time.
Eliminate the easy stuff...


-Ted

Ok thanks guy's I am afraid I will have to leave my car for a while... This thread may reapear in the near-distant futur. I will try to get my car done as soon as I can But thank You All for your help... unfourtunately I have to go to school over three hours away from where my car is.