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j0rd4n 04-17-07 01:33 PM

Why have an iron block?
 
I did a little searching, couldn't really find anything mentioning it, but I was wondering why our motors are forged in iron over, say, aluminum?? Can AL not handle the forces put out in our case?

owen is fat 04-17-07 02:08 PM

always wondered that too,
ever since I disassembled the 13b in my FC...
I was amazed at how heavy the housing are.
an all aluminum 13b would be much much lighter.

RX7 allnight 04-17-07 03:04 PM

i think it's cheaper for one, racing beat sells irons that are made out of high grade aluminum. a little pricey but i think they are like half the weight.

I love pop-up lights 04-17-07 03:32 PM

never really thought about the cost diffrence...I thought it might have something to do with thermodynamics, expansion rates of the metals and what not but then again I could be very very wrong

dradon03 04-17-07 04:04 PM

^

Or very right. I am willing to lean on the thermodynamics:wink:

j0rd4n 04-17-07 05:21 PM

I checked out the RB stuff, thanks for the info, never noticed them there before.

As for thermodynamics, I think that the expansion rates, comparatively, are negligible. After doing a little research looking at piston engines, the trade-off comes in the form of energy lost in the form of heat due to aluminum's tendency to absorb and release heat MUCH better than iron, so the engine bay would get a bit warmer as well.

It's unfortunate that they are so pricey, as I would love to use them if the total cost of a conversion (for irons only, it seems) would be around $3k, which isn't worth the 50lbs or so I'd save.

PercentSevenC 04-17-07 06:28 PM

I have heard that one of the reasons the rotor housings can warp when overheated is due to the differences in expansion rates between the housings and irons. I don't know if that's true, but it sounds plausible.

peejay 04-17-07 06:45 PM

Aluminum wears rapidly.

j0rd4n 04-17-07 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by PercentSevenC
I have heard that one of the reasons the rotor housings can warp when overheated is due to the differences in expansion rates between the housings and irons. I don't know if that's true, but it sounds plausible.

Agreed, but then why not also make the housings out of aluminum. If specific heat is an issue, perhaps have a layer of iron on the inside?


Originally Posted by peejay
Aluminum wears rapidly.

That all depends on what kind of aluminum you use. Aircraft-grade aluminum would tend to argue with you...

PercentSevenC 04-17-07 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by j0rd4n
Agreed, but then why not also make the housings out of aluminum. If specific heat is an issue, perhaps have a layer of iron on the inside?

Exactly. I suspect it is mainly a cost-related issue for Mazda. The rotary engine is pretty light as it is.

And aluminum does not wear rapidly if properly treated. Supposedly RB's side plates have superior wear characteristics to the stock irons.

I would love to build a custom 3- or 4-rotor engine using RB's aluminum side plates. But that would be impossibly expensive.


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