I was using a pair of old metal rings as per the FSM to press them in.
Scathcart makes a good point about the thicker rings not being able to move freely as well, maybe thicker isnt better? |
I did have multiple problems with the viton water seals. I try to save money and it winds up costing me more. Really, I haven't heard of too many people melting oil seals, compared to low oil pressure problems. I'd stick to the stock. Proven in race cars for how many years now? I can see if they were alot cheaper, especially in gas prices these days though. ?!!
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Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
(Post 7994677)
I was using a pair of old metal rings as per the FSM to press them in.
Scathcart makes a good point about the thicker rings not being able to move freely as well, maybe thicker isnt better? I've never had new stock rings to compare to the viton ones, but I think the main difference isn't in dimension, but in hardness of the material. The viton rings are 75 durometer where the stockers would likely be 65 or less if they were rated. I understand the idea about the stiffer material not moving as freely because of increased friction against their bores, but mine have always moved in and rebounded very freely after installation when I checked them for free movement. Ditto for an engine I just pulled apart after 1500 miles (turbo failure related). Maybe he used a different variety of o-rings than those currently offered by atkins. I know the inner rings that I sourced out were definitely too thick. |
Originally Posted by t-von
(Post 7918978)
I personally bought used viton rings (not sure from where) off ebay for like $10.00. for my 91 vert. All my other rebuilds I have used McMaster-Carr versions. 18k later my engine doesn't smoke at all. ;) I love these viton rings and I especially love investing in re-usable cheap parts. Some people just don't understand, when your always experimenting and re-opening engines all the time, it's really nice to have products like this available. The only down side is they are a bitch to install.
Oh yea, I also use the reusable tephlon coolant inner seals. |
Also my apologies for resurrecting an old thread:dunno:
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if they're not extremely squared off, yes.
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Originally Posted by RotaryEvolution
(Post 12149140)
if they're not extremely squared off, yes.
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Originally Posted by KBSRX7
(Post 7995050)
I did have multiple problems with the viton water seals. I try to save money and it winds up costing me more. Really, I haven't heard of too many people melting oil seals, compared to low oil pressure problems. I'd stick to the stock. Proven in race cars for how many years now? I can see if they were alot cheaper, especially in gas prices these days though. ?!!
for the oil rings last years I seem to have issues with stockers (black renesis ones) on oir 13B PP. Maybe due to the oil used being full synthetic? (Total HTX 860 10W60) or premix (Idemitsu) not playing together? on disassembly the orings come out on multiple pieces and oft also the rings are damaged/cracked. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...768ae9e1d.jpeg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...e55206110.jpeg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...52c9ffe95.jpeg |
In a used rotor I bought I found a orange inner o-ring. It was remarkable soft/low shore, softer then the mazda green ones.
anyone has a clue where it originated? Fit was perfect. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx7...adb521f73.jpeg |
still searching for these.. upon disassembly auf our 13B PP one of the inner green oring was also swollen/expanded. it had like 5mm slack when slid over the inner oil control ring. This is after about 5 hours of race use. the other green inners and black outers were still fine. this orange ring I also had in the engine and it was still perfect soft w correct fit.
We switched from full synth total quartz 10w60 oil to 15W50 MOTUL Classic oil hoping that the additives were the cause of the early failure of the orings. As premix w still use the idemitsu oil I did come across these where the outers appear to be the correct colour: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/122102482548 |
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